T206 Southern Leaguers and Joe Jackson Redux

[tedzan]

I am reluctant to revive my theory regarding the player's rights conflict between American Caramel Co. (ACC) and
American Litho. because it drives some people "nuts" on this forum (including one who has already posted on this
thread).
Nevertheless, to me (and others on this forum) it is evident that ACC had exclusive rights to portray the A's ball-
players in their E90-1 first series. With the exception of Bender, Amer. Litho. did not print any of the A's players
in their 150 series of the T206 set that are depicted in the 1st series of the E90-1.

According to my Connie Mack reference, Joe Jackson started the 1909 season with the A's, but was sent down to
Savannah shortly thereafter. This indicates to me that if my above theory has no merit....then there is no reason
why Amer. Litho. could not have depicted Shoeless Joe either as an A's subject or a Savannah subject.


TED Z

[dstudeba]

Very nice Tim, I enjoyed this thread. That is extremely rare for a T206 thread, well done!

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

According to my Connie Mack reference, Joe Jackson started the 1909 season with the A's, but was sent down to
Savannah shortly thereafter. This indicates to me that if my above theory has no merit....then there is no reason
why Amer. Litho. could not have depicted Shoeless Joe either as an A's subject or a Savannah subject.

TED Z

According to my timeline Joe couldn't have been included as a Savannah player since he wasn't sent down until the last week of April and by that time the 48 Southern Leaguers had been selected.

As far as Joe being depicted as an A I couldn't make a case for or against it at this time.

[cfc1909]

this is great-thank you so much for your research-now we need to figure out why the 14 were not printed in the first run.


there has been much progress on this set in the last few years-thanks to all for your efforts.

[D. Broughman]

Tim you have Roy Ellam listed with Birmingham and Connellsville but his card has Nashville on it. Any ideas about this player. D.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by D. Broughman

Tim you have Roy Ellam listed with Birmingham and Connellsville but his card has Nashville on it. Any ideas about this player. D.

I'm glad you caught that. His team designation is an error in the T206 set. He played for Birmingham in 1909. He did eventually make it to Nashville in 1916.

All Southern Association teams have at least two representatives in the set if you list Ellam with Birmingham.

[Abravefan11]

I'm sorry if it's a little hard to see but in the layout below the 350 Only players team designations are shaded in gray. I believe this helps give perspective to how the 350 Only players were part of the whole picture from the beginning. It's especially evident in the VSL group.

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Tim,
Great research.....

Be well Brian


PS How do the 8 SL proofs that were auctioned off to Keith several years ago fit into your pattern??? It seems as though they may have planned on more SLers at one time....