T206 Doyle N.Y.

[hunterdutchess]

I tried to win this lot on ha.com that had a t206 Doyle that was graded A but looked beautiful along with the other trimmed cards. I think I bid four or five times but stopped at $350. Do you think the winner overpaid or should I have gone higher?


http://sports.ha.com/common/view_ite...9&src=pr#Photo

[Steve D]

I was finally able to pick up an undergraded (IMHO) PSA 3 Joe Doyle, N.Y. on ebay earlier this month for just under $200. It's a Sweet Caporal 350 back.

Steve

[sreader3]

A couple of corrections/observations respecting the "N.Y." version of Slow Joe:

1. The couterfeiter who bought all of the Slow Joes from Larry Fritsch lived in Flint, Michigan (not Florida).

2. Another reason for the relative scarcity of Slow Joe is that his subject was shortprinted in the 350 series--along with Nichols, Rhoades (Right Arm Extended), Kleinow (N.Y. Catching) and Smith (Chicago White Cap). The reason we know his subject was shortprinted is that, as Ted discovered, it is available with the apple green Sovereign 350 back that is characteristic of the 350/460 regular print subject group, not the forest green Sovereign 350 back that is characteristic of the 350-only subject group. In other words, Slow Joe was SUPPOSED to be a 350/460 regular print subject, but was removed from production before the commencement of the 460 series portion of the print run for that subject group. Since there are roughly 2/3 as many cards of a typical 350/460 RP subject as a 350-only subject WITH 350 SERIES BACKS, Slow Joe can be expected to be about 1/3 more difficult than a typical 350-only subject, BEFORE accounting for the cards destroyed in counterfeiting scams.

Scot

[tedzan]

Regarding the Joe Doyle error card and this question......" How many fakes are graded and have not been bought back? "

My understaning is that there are several. The most notorious graded fake Doyle error card is one with a Polar Bear back.
When the owner of this fake Doyle was apprised of it, it is reported that he simply shrugged it off.


TED Z

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Regarding the Joe Doyle error card and this question......" How many fakes are graded and have not been bought back? "

My understaning is that there are several. The most notorious graded fake Doyle error card is one with a Polar Bear back.
When the owner of this fake Doyle was apprised of it, it is reported that he simply shrugged it off.


TED Z

Maybe he likes the label.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Regarding the Joe Doyle error card and this question......" How many fakes are graded and have not been bought back? "

My understaning is that there are several. The most notorious graded fake Doyle error card is one with a Polar Bear back.
When the owner of this fake Doyle was apprised of it, it is reported that he simply shrugged it off.


TED Z

Ted, that's not the one KO showed to the taxi driver was it?

Steve

[trobba]

Hi Ted,

I was wondering what you based the difficulty of backs for the Doyle card on. Is it based on pop reports or personal research? Just wondering, as I was surprised by the two you mentioned as being the toughest.

I only have access to SGC pop reports and many look similar as far as scarcity.

thanks - Rob

[tedzan]

The fake Doyle that you are referring to was graded by SGC.

The fake Doyle with the Polar Bear back that I referred to in the above post was graded by PSA.

TED Z

[tedzan]

Rob

Regarding your......" Hi Ted,
I was wondering what you based the difficulty of backs for the Doyle card on. Is it based on pop reports or
personal research? "

Several factors indicate to me that the normal T206 Joe Doyle with an EPDG back, or a Sovereign 350 back
(or a Tolstoi back) are considerable tougher than the other 4 backs this card is found with. They are my per-
sonal experience in putting together an all-Sovereign set, collecting EPDG cards, and a survey I conducted
in 2007 regarding the Printer's (remnant) Mark that exists on approx. 12 % of the Joe Doyle card. Here's the
link to that thread........

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...slow+joe+doyle


The final results of that survey are......T206 Joe Doyle with/or without the Printer's Mark......9/30/2007


T-brand..............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........29

Sweet Cap 350......4.........41

Polar Bear.............2.........17

Old Mill.................1..........7

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1
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Totals.................14..........98



Excellent question, Rob.

TED Z