T206 Doyle N.Y.

[tedzan]

Two factors are responsible for this card being considerably less available than your average T206 common........

(1) In the early 1980's, Larry Fritsch acquired 100's (if not 1000's) of these Doyle's in search for another Joe Doyle
error card. Eventually, some of these got back in circulation, but many of them did not.

(2) In the late 1980's 100's of these cards were acquired by the scam artists trying to alter them by adding "Nat'l"
to their caption. In this process many of them were destroyed. And, others were confiscated.

Therefore, these events have unquestionably made this "common" T206 card very tough to find. Typical sale prices
reflect this, as they range from $200 - $800 for Vg to Ex cards. And, even higher prices for Joe Doyle's with an EPDG
or a SOVEREIGN 350 back.

If you are looking for actual numbers....Scot Reader has estimated that there are approx. 3000 cards in circulation
of each common T206 subject. My educated guess is that there are no more than 800 Joe Doyle cards in circulation.


TED Z

[T206Collector]

Just posted in the B/S/T, I have a Doyle with Sovereign 350 back that I would be willing to trade for another Doyle with a common back.

Email me at SignedT206@gmail.com if you're interested in such a trade.

[Peter_Spaeth]

How many fakes are graded and have not been bought back?

[hunterdutchess]

I tried to win this lot on ha.com that had a t206 Doyle that was graded A but looked beautiful along with the other trimmed cards. I think I bid four or five times but stopped at $350. Do you think the winner overpaid or should I have gone higher?


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[Steve D]

I was finally able to pick up an undergraded (IMHO) PSA 3 Joe Doyle, N.Y. on ebay earlier this month for just under $200. It's a Sweet Caporal 350 back.

Steve

[sreader3]

A couple of corrections/observations respecting the "N.Y." version of Slow Joe:

1. The couterfeiter who bought all of the Slow Joes from Larry Fritsch lived in Flint, Michigan (not Florida).

2. Another reason for the relative scarcity of Slow Joe is that his subject was shortprinted in the 350 series--along with Nichols, Rhoades (Right Arm Extended), Kleinow (N.Y. Catching) and Smith (Chicago White Cap). The reason we know his subject was shortprinted is that, as Ted discovered, it is available with the apple green Sovereign 350 back that is characteristic of the 350/460 regular print subject group, not the forest green Sovereign 350 back that is characteristic of the 350-only subject group. In other words, Slow Joe was SUPPOSED to be a 350/460 regular print subject, but was removed from production before the commencement of the 460 series portion of the print run for that subject group. Since there are roughly 2/3 as many cards of a typical 350/460 RP subject as a 350-only subject WITH 350 SERIES BACKS, Slow Joe can be expected to be about 1/3 more difficult than a typical 350-only subject, BEFORE accounting for the cards destroyed in counterfeiting scams.

Scot

[tedzan]

Regarding the Joe Doyle error card and this question......" How many fakes are graded and have not been bought back? "

My understaning is that there are several. The most notorious graded fake Doyle error card is one with a Polar Bear back.
When the owner of this fake Doyle was apprised of it, it is reported that he simply shrugged it off.


TED Z

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Regarding the Joe Doyle error card and this question......" How many fakes are graded and have not been bought back? "

My understaning is that there are several. The most notorious graded fake Doyle error card is one with a Polar Bear back.
When the owner of this fake Doyle was apprised of it, it is reported that he simply shrugged it off.


TED Z

Maybe he likes the label.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Regarding the Joe Doyle error card and this question......" How many fakes are graded and have not been bought back? "

My understaning is that there are several. The most notorious graded fake Doyle error card is one with a Polar Bear back.
When the owner of this fake Doyle was apprised of it, it is reported that he simply shrugged it off.


TED Z

Ted, that's not the one KO showed to the taxi driver was it?

Steve