How would you react to a personal attack (by SGC)?

[slidekellyslide]

Does one have to request the "Brown" label on the holder or did SGC just mistakenly label it as "Brown?" SGC cards have serial numbers on them so I'm assuming they keep records of who originally submitted the card, right?

[danmckee]

Brown label must be requested. I had to on both of mine.

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Does one have to request the "Brown" label on the holder or did SGC just mistakenly label it as "Brown?" SGC cards have serial numbers on them so I'm assuming they keep records of who originally submitted the card, right?

I think SGC just grades for fun, so they might not keep records.

[scottglevy]

Difference is this.....

Stack up 10 Old Mills of your choosing and then throw this one into the mix. Hand me a loupe and I'll pick out the 'brown' one. And it will be the same card every time - because it's actually different.

[danmckee]

Would you like to wager your collection on this Scott? I will make a wager that you can't do that if I provide 9 other blacks that are similar in condition and with the same exact markings 10X magnified. Wonka has agreed to back me and help me with this if you are game. It is a hefty wager but I am a gambling man myself. Dan.

[Abravefan11]

So what Scott is really saying is that the card they have is a variation of the color black that looks more brown than most other blacks, but definitely isn't a Brown Old Mill as we know them correct?

[danmckee]

WOW Tim, can you say that real fast 3 times for me??

[scottglevy]

I might be up for that challenge gents.

It's my dad's card (and almost entirely his collection). But since we believe in the visual difference, if we can agree to the rules, and if my dad agrees - I'm game. What are you putting up as the prize to be won?



SGL

[danmckee]

I have an average T206 collection I can anti. Of course you would have to look at it and decide if it rates as collateral. Sounds like a fun challenge! Maybe the board members could have a friendly poll or vote at the top of the thread.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not a wise bet, as the card in question almost certainly has some other distinctive marking or toning someplace that could be relied on to pick it out of a crowd, and in any event even if it is slightly lighter (as from a light strike?) that doth not make it brown.

[wonkaticket]

Scott, I hope that’s not a guilty conscience popping up here?

I never compared you to Chan in any way sorry if you think I have you should have no reason to feel like that dirt bag.



I only said I think you guys should know better on this one. Think about it for a second…

REA says no way
Collectors say no way
SGC says no way, our bad
Yet you still proceed with auction why?

Easy the same reason a lot of folks do they can hide behind third party mistakes. Which has become the norm and it’s a very sad thing.

If you’re dad is wrong which is likely the case no skin of your back or the auction houses back ughh. The third party grading company gets the bill, and the poor winning bidder gets a bad taste in his or her mouth with a large purchase.

In the end I have little sympathy for the TPG as it’s their business and they know the risk of returns. They also should make the effort to gain the knowledge to avoid these situations from the start.




However that doesn’t mean we should abuse their overall lack of knowledge on a particular issue when we can which is often done. The real sympathy goes out to the collectors who get bummed by missing a needed c ard or having a troubling buying experience within our hobby.

I think collectors the caliber of your dad and yourself and others here. Owe the hobby a little more than hiding behind slabs.

We knew cards before these folks came along we should be big enough and honest enough when cards like this come up to really set the pace for others. By doing real due diligence work and making 100% sure not only our opinions on a card are satisfied but the collecting community stands behind it as well…it’s just better that way for everyone that way IMO.

Added if this card was Brown SGC wouldn’t be changing their minds and if you really had big coin in this card I would think you and your dad would remember the details of such a unique card presented in an SGC holder? (dont be mad at my joke image, really wanted to use this )



I can't help but think you would remember when it was bought, for how much and who it came from, the details behind the card and the story. I would think you would have this prior to requesting money from SGC.

You certainly wouldn’t be so easy to say “hey if SGC thinks it’s not brown it’s all good will take a bath, we just don’t like the snide comments” that just doesn’t add up to me Scott.

Not mad or anything just confused and a little disapointed. You guys know cards way to well for this story to click and make any sense to me. Perhaps I'm putting you guys on a higher pedstal than I should and that's where the disapointment is coming from on my end.

Cheers,

John

[wonkaticket]

Leon I fancy myself on obscure internet crap, but a video of a guy eating popcorn LOL. Do I even ask where you found that or how...