I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[martyogelvie]

It was mentioned early in this thread that several collectors had believed for years that the 202 contained a photo of Jackson.. so discovered is a bad choice of words
Shined a light on it would probably be more appropriate!

[brett]

Originally Posted by martyogelvie

It was mentioned early in this thread that several collectors had believed for years that the 202 contained a photo of Jackson.. so discovered is a bad choice of words
Shined a light on it would probably be more appropriate!

Marty, all I know is that until this post was started nobody openly mentioned it as Shoeless Joe on the internet, in print, or anywhere else and now that's all changed. To those who say I'm immodest or errogant... all I can say is that I'm very proud to make a contribution to the hobby I love and maybe I've been a little over-exuberant about it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Brett, ya done good ... now stop tootin' your own horn.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by brett

I've been a little over-exuberant about it.

I agree, 100% !!!

[botn]

Jim,

Just maybe we should do a poll, eh???

[martyogelvie]

Originally Posted by brett

Marty, all I know is that until this post was started nobody openly mentioned it as Shoeless Joe on the internet, in print, or anywhere else and now that's all changed. To those who say I'm immodest or errogant... all I can say is that I'm very proud to make a contribution to the hobby I love and maybe I've been a little over-exuberant about it.

Brett,
I think you definately have opened a window.. good job.

[packs]

The White Sox played at Cleveland 11 times throughout the year. Because a photo was found from ONE game that sort of resembles the play seen on the card, which is gneric because all it shows is someone sliding into third, and in my opinion the aggressive slide Jackson is making in the newspaper photo is far different from the casual looking slide on the T202, that does not mean that this photo came from that game. There were 10 other games in which a player could have been out at third. To me, the newspaper photo in no way resembles the T202 photo.

Wanted to add: thinking about it logically. If the newspaper headline from the day that photo was supposedly taken names Joe Jackson, who hit 408 in 1911, wouldn't it be logical that if it was in fact Jackson from that play and game in particular, he would then be named on the T202 as the sliding player? If it were a star, wouldn't he be named? I highly doubt if Honus Wagner or Nap Lajoie were depicted in a center panel that they would simply be reported as "the runner."

[Mrc32]

Originally Posted by packs

Wanted to add: thinking about it logically. If the newspaper headline from the day that photo was supposedly taken names Joe Jackson, who hit 408 in 1911, wouldn't it be logical that if it was in fact Jackson from that play and game in particular, he would then be named on the T202 as the sliding player? If it were a star, wouldn't he be named? I highly doubt if Honus Wagner or Nap Lajoie were depicted in a center panel that they would simply be reported as "the runner."

This is an interesting point.

[packs]

By 1911 only 16 players had ever hit 400. Jackson and Cobb both did it that year. I know it was Jackson's first full season, but these cards were obviously produced after the 1911 season and he had just become an elite 400 hitter. If he were on a center panel, he would have been named. Cobb appears on 2 center panels and he is named on both of them.

[botn]

Originally Posted by packs

By 1911 only 16 players had ever hit 400. Jackson and Cobb both did it that year. I know it was Jackson's first full season, but these cards were obviously produced after the 1911 season and he had just become an elite 400 hitter. If he were on a center panel, he would have been named. Cobb appears on 2 center panels and he is named on both of them.

For reasons unknown to most, except Ted Z, Jackson did not appear on many of the T card issues whereas Cobb did.

[uffda51]

Originally Posted by martyogelvie

It was mentioned early in this thread that several collectors had believed for years that the 202 contained a photo of Jackson.. so discovered is a bad choice of words
Shined a light on it would probably be more appropriate!

In view of later history, maybe "Shined a black light on it . . . ."