FYI....T206 SOVEREIGN set confirmed lists

[tedzan]

I think you are referring to the list I generated several years back, when I had completed my Sovereign set, and
was considering doing a "master" set.

If I recall correctly, approx. 90 of the 151 subjects in the 150 series were also printed with "350 Subjects" backs.
Therefore, 60 (or so) cards are "350" No-Prints in the 150/350 series.

I will search for this list and post it in this thread.

Thanks very much for asking about these No-Prints.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Here goes as succinctly as I can, so stay with me. Why American Litho. printed a series of 66 cards in their SOVEREIGN issue with this "apple green" ink
is a mystery. What is not a mystery is why these 66 subjects were selected.

Now, 100 years later, this subtle change in green color reveals to us that American Litho. selected these 66 subjects from the 183 Major Leaguers in the
350 series to continue printing them with 460 series backs (possibly due to the popularity of these ballplayers). Furthermore, the fact that the Sovereign
backs on these cards are not identified as "350-460 Subjects" (as Piedmont and Sweet Caporal backs are) suggests to us that this was done in the initial
planning stage of their 350/460 series cards (circa Summer 1910).


Some of the HOFer's in this series..................................



..................apple green backs

..................normal green back


......350 Series common............................\/........................................Some more HOFer's in this series........................................\/




FURTHERMORE..........

Three of these cards (Joe Doyle, Simon Nicholls, and Bob Rhoades) were never printed with 460 backs since their Major League careers ended prior to the
460 series press runs. Red Kleinow (NY) and Frank Smith (Chicago) were not printed as 350/460 cards since they were in transition [both being traded to
Boston (AL) prior to 460 printing]. Supporting evidence of this theory is that these 5 subjects do not exist with the AB 350 (frame) back. Which of course,
if they did, would contradict this entire premise....since the AB 350 (frame) back is strictly found with 350-only cards.

Subsequently, these exact cards of Red Kleinow and Frank Smith were printed with a variety of 460 series backs with their captions reflecting their trades
to Boston . However, the "Boston" versions of Kleinow and Smith were not printed with SOVEREIGN 460 backs.



\/..............................................The intended 5 subjects for the 350/460 series that were not printed with 460 backs..........................................\/





List of apple green backs in the SOVEREIGN set........66 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (arms over head)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (NY-catching)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago-white cap)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)

NOTE......These 66 cards are found ONLY with the apple-green colored backs. They were definitely not printed with the darker green backs.


I'm sure that some of you may have questions. Feel free to ask them, if I have not clearly explained this phenomena to you. Or, if you want to know
more details regarding these cards.


Credit goes to Art Martineau & Jim Rivera for first pointing out this color difference to this forum in 2009.
In 2007, I had completed an all-SOVEREIGN set. This enabled me (in 2009) to correlate the cards with the apple-green backs to the 350/460 series
subjects in the T206 set and arrive at this theory.



TED Z

[White Borders]

Ted,

With regard to the Sov 150 no-prints, I can understand why there's no Magie, Plank, or Wagner. And Lundgren's move from the Cubs to KC can account for that no-print. But what's going on with Jennings Portrait? I thought he was in the 150-350 group, but I notice that he's not been confirmed (at least in my notes) with any of the Sweet Cap 150 backs either. Is he another "exception"?

Thanks again and Best Regards,
Craig

[tedzan]

In the first series (150 Subjects), the Jennings (portrait) card was printed only with a PIEDMONT 150 back,
and a Brown HINDU back.
I cannot explain why ALC did not print Jennings with a SOVEREIGN 150, or SWEET CAPORAL 150.

Jennings exists with a SOVEREIGN 350 back.

Good question.

TED Z

[frohme]

I think this is your post I was referring to, Ted

Originally Posted by tedzan

I think you are referring to the list I generated several years back, when I had completed my Sovereign set, and
was considering doing a "master" set.

If I recall correctly, approx. 90 of the 151 subjects in the 150 series were also printed with "350 Subjects" backs.
Therefore, 60 (or so) cards are "350" No-Prints in the 150/350 series.

I will search for this list and post it in this thread.

Thanks very much for asking about these No-Prints.


TED Z