FYI....T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 fr..350 nofr..460 confirmed lists

[tedzan]

Regarding your......
"....is based on a sample of the population rather than the entire population of T206's ever produced, this
mutual exclusion principle (for 350/460 Series, fronts with AB460 backs will also be found with Uzit backs,
but won't be found with BL460 or Red Hindu backs) "

From an engineer (EE) to an engineer....my "mutually exclusive" rules (AB 460/UZIT vs BL 460/Red HINDU)
are not simply based on the sampling of certain populations of T206 cards. The more significant factor that
I based these rules on.....is timeline.

We have American Litho. (ALC) documentation that dates the printing and release of the UZIT cards to the
Spring of 1911. The AB 460 cards were destined to Durham, NC (Factory 42); therefore, they were printed
simultaneously with the UZIT cards. I am suggesting that sheets of T206's (comprised of approx. 30 cards)
with the same fronts were printed with both these backs.

Prior to that, in the Fall/Winter of 1910, ALC used sheets of T206 fronts (comprised of approx. 30 cards) to
print both the BL 460 and the Red HINDU backs on them.

Furthermore, the 30 subjects on the AB 460/UZIT sheets complemented the 30 subjects of the BL 460/Red
HINDU sheets. Of course, this scenario applies only to the 55 cards in the 350/460 series and the 6 super-
prints. Certainly, the absence of any of these 6 super-prints with AB 460 and UZIT backs serves to support
this theory.


Craig

The Nicholls (batting) card was intended to be a 350/460 series subject; so, this is why this card was
printed with an AB 350 (No Frame) back. However, upon being traded to Cleveland, Nicholls ended his
Major League BB career on April 25, 1910 and returned to his farm in Maryland. Therefore, it is fair to
conclude that ALC did not print his card with any 460 series backs.

Also, I don't think by stating that these cards do not exist with an AB 460 back, that collectors will be
less likely to look for them. There are always a number of guys out there that are motivated in finding
exceptions to the rules.....and, that is fine, it's the American way


TED Z

[White Borders]

Hey Ted,

Thank you for all the great info, it is much appreciated.

Now let's see if I understand Nichols Batting. If it was intended to be in the 350/460 Group, rather than the 350 Only Group, but got discontinued before the 460 Backs of the 350/460 Group were issued, then ...

Nichols Batting Should potentially be found with the following backs:

AB350 (No Frame)
DRM350
EPDG
OM
P350
PB
SOV350 (Apple Green)
SC350 Fact 25
SC350 Fact 30
TOL


And Should Not be found with the following backs:

350 Only Group Backs

AB350 (Frame)
BL350
Car Brights
CYC350

460 Backs of the 350/460 Group

AB460
BL460
CYC460
Hindu (Red)
Lenox
P350-460 Fact 25
P350-460 Fact 42
SC350-460 Fact 25
SC350-460 Fact 30
SC350-460 Fact 42
SC350-460 Fact 42 OP
Uzit

So, Nichols Batting is like the reverse of Kleinow Boston and Smith Chicago & Boston, which are really 350/460 Subjects without the 350 backs.

Is there any hope for me?

Best Regards,
Craig

(Note, I just checked my two Nichols Batting cards and I can confirm the SOV350 Apple Green back, as well as the Polar Bear)

[tedzan]

There is there hope for you ole buddy......you understand it correctly


TED Z

[tedzan]

NOTE.....important info for you front/back collectors of T206 team's, player's, or type cards.

The AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards and the UZIT cards are essentially matched pairs....that is, they have in common
identical fronts. Furthermore, these 2 backs are mutually exclusive with the BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU cards.

This rule applies only to the 350/460 series cards.


TED Z

[tedzan]

We have accounted for 190 cards with the American Beauty 350 (with frame) back (ABF).
That leaves us with 23 possible No-Prints. Can anyone here confirm any of these following
cards with the ABF back ?

Barger
G. Brown (Washington)
Byrne
Collins (Minneapolis)
Cross
Dahlen (portrait--Brooklyn)
Demmitt (New York)
Joe Doyle
Elberfeld (portrait--Washington)
Evans
Gray
Groom
Kleinow (catching--New York)
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Mattern
McLean
Mowery
O'Hara (New York)
Puttman
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rossman
Shannon
F. Smith (Chicago--white cap)


Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

A Net54 reader has reported Wilhelm (bat) with an AB 350 (no frame) back.

This raises the tally to 37 confirmed.

If anyone has AB 350 or AB 460 cards that are not on the three lists here, please tell us about them.

Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 frame....190 confirmed cards

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milw)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain

Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer

Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan

Engle
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)

Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands/mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)

Kroh
Kruger
Laporte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGann
McGinley

McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullin (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin

O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands/chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm

Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann

Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman






AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame).....37 confirmed cards

Baker
Bender (no trees)
Burch (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lake (no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Wagner (bat on right)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)






AMERICAN BEAUTY 460.......75 confirmed cards

350/460 Series..................29 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)

F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


460-only Series..................46 cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms above)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (arms up)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)

Hummell
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


This survey has been updated on 12/1/2010



TED Z