FYI....T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 fr..350 nofr..460 confirmed lists

[White Borders]

Yes, it is very unlikely that those will be found with an AB460 back. But, the engineer in me says that because this mutual exclusion principle (for 350/460 Series, fronts with AB460 backs will also be found with Uzit backs, but won't be found with BL460 or Red Hindu backs) is based on a sample of the population rather than the entire population of T206's ever produced, there remains a statistical (though perhaps very slight) uncertainty in the mutual exclusion principle.

And if we state that these will not be found with an AB460 back, then people will be less likely to look for them; thus reducing the chance of finding an exception to the principle if there is one. Kinda like in quantum physics where the act of observing affects the observation.

This is all the more important with T206 because exceptions to the rules have been demonstrated. Some examples include:

The 150 Only group does not have any Sweet Cap 150 Factory 649 Overprint backs EXCEPT for Powers.

The 350 Only group has AB350 (Frame) backs EXCEPT for Nichols Batting, which has an AB350 (No Frame) back.

The 350-460 group have all been confirmed with Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs EXCEPT for Tinker Bat Off.


And please understand that it is not my intention to demean your work in any way. We would not have achieved our current level of understanding of T206 without your efforts.

Always Best Regards
Craig

[tedzan]

Regarding your......
"....is based on a sample of the population rather than the entire population of T206's ever produced, this
mutual exclusion principle (for 350/460 Series, fronts with AB460 backs will also be found with Uzit backs,
but won't be found with BL460 or Red Hindu backs) "

From an engineer (EE) to an engineer....my "mutually exclusive" rules (AB 460/UZIT vs BL 460/Red HINDU)
are not simply based on the sampling of certain populations of T206 cards. The more significant factor that
I based these rules on.....is timeline.

We have American Litho. (ALC) documentation that dates the printing and release of the UZIT cards to the
Spring of 1911. The AB 460 cards were destined to Durham, NC (Factory 42); therefore, they were printed
simultaneously with the UZIT cards. I am suggesting that sheets of T206's (comprised of approx. 30 cards)
with the same fronts were printed with both these backs.

Prior to that, in the Fall/Winter of 1910, ALC used sheets of T206 fronts (comprised of approx. 30 cards) to
print both the BL 460 and the Red HINDU backs on them.

Furthermore, the 30 subjects on the AB 460/UZIT sheets complemented the 30 subjects of the BL 460/Red
HINDU sheets. Of course, this scenario applies only to the 55 cards in the 350/460 series and the 6 super-
prints. Certainly, the absence of any of these 6 super-prints with AB 460 and UZIT backs serves to support
this theory.


Craig

The Nicholls (batting) card was intended to be a 350/460 series subject; so, this is why this card was
printed with an AB 350 (No Frame) back. However, upon being traded to Cleveland, Nicholls ended his
Major League BB career on April 25, 1910 and returned to his farm in Maryland. Therefore, it is fair to
conclude that ALC did not print his card with any 460 series backs.

Also, I don't think by stating that these cards do not exist with an AB 460 back, that collectors will be
less likely to look for them. There are always a number of guys out there that are motivated in finding
exceptions to the rules.....and, that is fine, it's the American way


TED Z

[White Borders]

Hey Ted,

Thank you for all the great info, it is much appreciated.

Now let's see if I understand Nichols Batting. If it was intended to be in the 350/460 Group, rather than the 350 Only Group, but got discontinued before the 460 Backs of the 350/460 Group were issued, then ...

Nichols Batting Should potentially be found with the following backs:

AB350 (No Frame)
DRM350
EPDG
OM
P350
PB
SOV350 (Apple Green)
SC350 Fact 25
SC350 Fact 30
TOL


And Should Not be found with the following backs:

350 Only Group Backs

AB350 (Frame)
BL350
Car Brights
CYC350

460 Backs of the 350/460 Group

AB460
BL460
CYC460
Hindu (Red)
Lenox
P350-460 Fact 25
P350-460 Fact 42
SC350-460 Fact 25
SC350-460 Fact 30
SC350-460 Fact 42
SC350-460 Fact 42 OP
Uzit

So, Nichols Batting is like the reverse of Kleinow Boston and Smith Chicago & Boston, which are really 350/460 Subjects without the 350 backs.

Is there any hope for me?

Best Regards,
Craig

(Note, I just checked my two Nichols Batting cards and I can confirm the SOV350 Apple Green back, as well as the Polar Bear)

[tedzan]

There is there hope for you ole buddy......you understand it correctly


TED Z

[tedzan]

NOTE.....important info for you front/back collectors of T206 team's, player's, or type cards.

The AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards and the UZIT cards are essentially matched pairs....that is, they have in common
identical fronts. Furthermore, these 2 backs are mutually exclusive with the BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU cards.

This rule applies only to the 350/460 series cards.


TED Z

[tedzan]

We have accounted for 190 cards with the American Beauty 350 (with frame) back (ABF).
That leaves us with 23 possible No-Prints. Can anyone here confirm any of these following
cards with the ABF back ?

Barger
G. Brown (Washington)
Byrne
Collins (Minneapolis)
Cross
Dahlen (portrait--Brooklyn)
Demmitt (New York)
Joe Doyle
Elberfeld (portrait--Washington)
Evans
Gray
Groom
Kleinow (catching--New York)
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Mattern
McLean
Mowery
O'Hara (New York)
Puttman
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rossman
Shannon
F. Smith (Chicago--white cap)


Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

A Net54 reader has reported Wilhelm (bat) with an AB 350 (no frame) back.

This raises the tally to 37 confirmed.

If anyone has AB 350 or AB 460 cards that are not on the three lists here, please tell us about them.

Thanks,

TED Z

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by White Borders

And if we state that these will not be found with an AB460 back, then people will be less likely to look for them; thus reducing the chance of finding an exception to the principle if there is one. Kinda like in quantum physics where the act of observing affects the observation.

Has any other pre-war set garnered comparison to quantum physics? Love it!