help! photo ID "proof" needed

[Bicem]

I have this Horner cabinet of Frank Dillon. I know it's Frank Dillon as it was sold with a number of different photos from his estate. I'm trying to get SGC to slab it and label it as Frank Dillon but they need proof that it's him. I've submitted pics of the other photos that were sold as well as the following comparison photos shown below, but it's still not quite enough . Not sure what else I can do to prove it's Frank Dillon. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

My cabinet...



comparison photos...

[ElCabron]

Well if those two aren't enough I'm not sure anything will be. Really not sure what more they're looking for.

-Ryan

[rhettyeakley]

I agree with Ryan, pretty straight forward with the id in this case--you can even see the areas of premature graying on his temples in all the shots!

Them saying this isn't enough after seeing some of their past mistakes makes one really scratch their head.

There are plenty of images of Dillon out there so I would just throw together as many as you can find and show them all of them.

-Rhett

[prewarsports]

How about telling SGC that Frank Dillon's family donated all of his items to the Helms Athletic Foundation in California and that the person you bought it from has been selling the items from that very public collection (Iron clad provenance and not just photo ID). That plus the obvious photo comparisons are WAY more than is usually out there for photo identification.

[3-2-count]

One more for you Jeff.

[Anthony S.]

The guy apparently spent his entire life with the exact same expression on his face.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Them saying this isn't enough after seeing some of their past mistakes makes one really scratch their head.

Rhett - they tightened things up on the photo ID situation a little more than a year ago - I submitted something for ID 10 months ago and also was surprised they felt what I provided didn't meet the standard of proof. So, when looked at as a body of work, this is certainly not consistent with their previous IDs, but within their "new" system of standards, this is the norm.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Matt

Rhett - they tightened things up on the photo ID situation a little more than a year ago - I submitted something for ID 10 months ago and also was surprised they felt what I provided didn't meet the standard of proof. So, when looked at as a body of work, this is certainly not consistent with their previous IDs, but within their "new" system of standards, this is the norm.

So - what are their standards? I submit that they don't have any. How do you sell an authentication service for which you have no articulable standards?

[rhettyeakley]

Mark, I completely agree with you. It would be like someone sending in an autograph for evaluation and then also having to also provide the exemplars as well. I understand that in very rare instances w/in the autograph hobby there are no known examples of a signature. However, in this case with the Dillon photo there are plenty of images of Dillon to study to provide a positive match, isn't this what you are paying for w/ the service or is it just the slab that you are purchasing? Do they do any legwork themselves with this service or not?
-Rhett

[D. Bergin]

Is SGC a photo ID authenticator or a Card authenticator?

It sounds like they relied on their clients conclusions in the past............they got burnt because of it and have tightened things up.

Seems to me the only thing they really need to authenticate is if it's a real cabinet photo or not? Anything else should qualify for an additional service I would think?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

So - what are their standards? I submit that they don't have any. How do you sell an authentication service for which you have no articulable standards?

That's a good question - maybe they will come on and answer.