T206 Honus Wagner PSA 8

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think O'Keeffe's book quoted Bill Hughes, one of the people who graded it for PSA, as saying they knew it was trimmed. I might have read that elsewhere.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think O'Keeffe's book quoted Bill Hughes, one of the people who graded it for PSA, as saying they knew it was trimmed. I might have read that elsewhere.

Thankfully for the hobby now graders reject all cards which are submitted which they know or believe to be altered in some way. This would have to be an isolated event.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by botn

Thankfully for the hobby now graders reject all cards which are submitted which they know or believe to be altered in some way. This would have to be an isolated event.

And thankfully the owners have never submitted the PSA 8 Wagner for a half grade bump.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think O'Keeffe's book quoted Bill Hughes, one of the people who graded it for PSA, as saying they knew it was trimmed. I might have read that elsewhere.

This is troubling. I have known Bill Hughes AND Bill Mastro for a very long time and they are both wonderful human beings. Really great guys. So if one is saying one thing and the other is saying another....well jeepers what am I supposed to think?

[tothrk]

Wasn't this the first card graded by PSA? Nothing like starting a business to provide authentication and prevent fraud and then knowingly toss your ethics out the window on your very first customer. If I am recalling this incorrectly, I apologize.

[botn]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This is troubling. I have known Bill Hughes AND Bill Mastro for a very long time and they are both wonderful human beings. Really great guys. So if one is saying one thing and the other is saying another....well jeepers what am I supposed to think?

Consider yourself lucky, Jeff. You could be trying to sort through two opposing opinions made by one person.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Third paragraph from bottom re Hughes. Rest of story should also be interesting to people unfamiliar with the rumors.

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_62.html

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This is troubling. I have known Bill Hughes AND Bill Mastro for a very long time and they are both wonderful human beings. Really great guys. So if one is saying one thing and the other is saying another....well jeepers what am I supposed to think?

Just an fyi: "golly" is the new "jeepers."

[FUBAR]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Just an fyi: "golly" is the new "jeepers."

Only if you say it like Gomer Pyle!

[M's_Fan]

So what is the highest graded Wagner (or even the best condition but non-graded Wagner) that has not been altered or hand cut, in existence? Anyone have a pic?

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by M's_Fan

So what is the highest graded Wagner (or even the best condition but non-graded Wagner) that has not been altered or hand cut, in existence? Anyone have a pic?

It's not graded and its in Cooperstown.

[T206DK]

isn't PSA's entire notariety based upon the fact that they graded this card ? there's noway it will ever be determined to be trimmed by anyone associated with PSA or any of the auction houses that sold this card over the years. The trimming story has been circulating since Gretzky owned the card , perhaps even before then.

[E93]

Originally Posted by M's_Fan

So what is the highest graded Wagner (or even the best condition but non-graded Wagner) that has not been altered or hand cut, in existence? Anyone have a pic?

These are candidates:



P.S. I have heard of a raw example that borders on NM, but that has not been verified. Both of the above examples are raw.