Brown Lenox ???

[JP]

Yet another reason that SGC is better than PSA. SGC slip would say which Lenox it was. It may not always be right, but at least they'd say it!

[fkw]

Dirty Black

[Captainhask]

Faded Black

[cfc1909]

the Lenox in question is brown, but I would still get a guarantee form the seller.
If the seller posted a black next to it, it would be easier to tell.

[Leon]

It might be brown but it looks faded black to me.

I like to go back to the "if you have to really guess, then it's not" type of answer. To me you shouldn't have to wonder if it's brown, if it's really brown.

[Mikehealer]

Here is the brown lenox in question and a black lenox, maybe this will help.
Sorry for the different sizes, but it should serve the purpose.

[cfc1909]

brown Lenox is different than the brown on Old Mill or Hindu-it is much darker on the examples I have seen and the one I own. It takes a black one next to a brown one for most collectors to see.

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[Leon]

I am glad I don't collect color variations. This is just me, but none of those ones shown look brown to these old eyes. More power to you guys that plainly see the difference. I better stick with variations that are easier to see. Again, I am sure these things are the cat's meow for you die hard color variations collectors but to me they look like faded black.

BTW, I have seen some brown old mills that I felt were really brown, these just aren't some of them.....again, I am sure they are brown, I just can't tell.

PS, see how the brown looks in those 2 words, that is brown to me.....

[cfc1909]

Your reason-"if you have to really guess, then it's not" type of answer-is the reason brown Lenox was not discovered until the 80s.
It is so close if you don't have a black to compare to you probably would not see the brown unless you have owned brown or are used to seeing them.

I would think whoever noticed it first had a black one to compare and was able to clearly see a difference.