Let the experiment begin...

[4815162342]

This probably should be here: http://www.net54baseball.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16

[T206Collector]

Your argument would have had a little more credibility if you weren't now just trying to profit off it.

[Jim VB]

Daryl is right. Announcements of "for profit" auctions belong in the proper section of the BST. Not here.

The fact that you couldn't wait more than 2-3 days to try to profit off this speaks volumes about your intentions. Very transparent.

[David R]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Daryl is right. Announcements of "for profit" auctions belong in the proper section of the BST. Not here.

The fact that you couldn't wait more than 2-3 days to try to profit off this speaks volumes about your intentions. Very transparent.

I agree this belongs in the BST eBay post but I fail to see how trying to sell this t202 at a profit changes the fact that Brett made a really terrific new observation that no one had seen in 100 years, made a great contribution to the Board, and (despite getting a lot of guff) turned out to be absolutely right. If I invent some terrific new product or come up with some new idea, can I not try to profit from it? Of course he's "credible" because he was right. The folks I don't find credible are the "experts" who won't concede that he was right no matter how convincing the proof.

[brett]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

The fact that you couldn't wait more than 2-3 days to try to profit off this speaks volumes about your intentions. Very transparent.

You're completely wrong (numerous people have been CONTACTING ME about wanting it)... but even if profiting were my sole intention is that suddenly against the rules of collecting? Is there an unwritten rule I'm not aware of? I'm sorry that this is so beneath someone as principled as yourself. When would it have been acceptable in your opinion to put it up (5 days, a year, never)? Here we go again...

[brett]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Your argument would have had a little more credibility if you weren't now just trying to profit off it.

One has nothing to do with the other. How, why, and when I decide to sell my cards is none of yours or anybody else's business. Just so you can sleep easy, when I made my initial post here I didn't even remember that I had another one until I later disclosed it and that's when several people started contacting me. If you had a surplus item that you didn't need and other people wanted it badly, why not give them the opportunity to have it? I won't be holding a gun to anybody's head to make them bid on it.

[collectbaseball]

Originally Posted by brett

How, why, and when I decide to sell my cards is none of yours or anybody else's business.

I don't really have a problem with you selling the card, and it was a great observation on your part.

But... when you post on the forum that it's for sale, it sort of makes it everyone's business.

[FUBAR]

I dont see anything wrong with what Brett is doing, there is now demand for a card based on the assumption it is Joe Jax, so guys want in. If the guy has two, and everyone wants to get there hands on it, why not, i am sure most of you would do it as well. Same as the three that were snapped up via BIN.

Right now there is more demand then card and if i had an extra and people wanted it, i would follow suit as well.

You guys are way over reacting. He is only making this move because people are bugging him to sell it. I dont think he hyped it to sell a spare, i think he simply wanted people's opinion and on this board, there are some very weighty opinions, and some real experts. How is a newbie going to know his first post would be a 400 post thread.

We need to stop looking for the negative in the situation and find the positive. He helped identify a new Joe Jax card and no one is forcing you to bid on it!!!!

[benjulmag]

Here is Brett's description of the card as posted on eBay:

"Up for bid is a 1912 T202 Hassan Triple Folder card professionaly graded PSA 4 VG/EX ! The card is titled "Lord Catches His Man" and it features Lord and Tannehill on the side panels as well as what is now known to be a picture of Shoeless Joe Jackson sliding into 3rd base on the center panel. This card is nearly 100 years old and was just recently discovered to feature Shoeless Joe from his early days in Cleveland. His cards are considered to be among the rarest and most sought after in the hobby and the value will surely be going up."

The poll conducted on this board shows 20% of those responding regard the center panel as definitely depicting Jackson. 80% would characterize there being reasonable doubt, and 50% would quantity the doubt as exceeding a one in ten probability. This poll was conducted at the conclusion of a 500 post thread discussing every conceivable aspect of the issue, thus making the poll participants as informed as any poll participants can reasonably be about an issue. While, to be clear, it more likely than not is Jackson in that middle panel, I don't think it is honest to say it is "now known to be a picture of Shoeless Joe Jackson sliding into 3rd base on the center panel". It is one thing for Brett to say he is certain is Jackson. That makes it his opinion, which he is entitled to hold and to which people can agree or disagree. But by using the phrase "it is now known", he is saying the hobby regards it as a certainty, which is simply not true.

That said, it was a predictable as the sun rising in the east that we would see sellers of this card resort to these tactics.

[Tcards-Please]

[QUOTE=FUBAR;812767]Same as the three that were snapped up via BIN.
QUOTE]

Actually only two sold as I did the BIN on the $69.95 card, paid and within an hour, the seller emailed and said that he couldn't find the card and he didn't know what happened too. So we agreed to reverse the transaction.

r/
Frank

[barrysloate]

The market will determine exactly how certain everybody is that it's Jackson.

[brett]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

I dont see anything wrong with what Brett is doing, there is now demand for a card based on the assumption it is Joe Jax, so guys want in. If the guy has two, and everyone wants to get there hands on it, why not, i am sure most of you would do it as well. Same as the three that were snapped up via BIN.

Right now there is more demand then card and if i had an extra and people wanted it, i would follow suit as well.

You guys are way over reacting. He is only making this move because people are bugging him to sell it. I dont think he hyped it to sell a spare, i think he simply wanted people's opinion and on this board, there are some very weighty opinions, and some real experts. How is a newbie going to know his first post would be a 400 post thread.

We need to stop looking for the negative in the situation and find the positive. He helped identify a new Joe Jax card and no one is forcing you to bid on it!!!!

THANK YOU!!!! Everything you said is dead on. Believe me, I didn't start all this so I could make an extra few hundred dollars on a card. All I'm doing is giving somebody who wants it an opportunity to get it. Some people offered me "whatever I wanted" for it but I didn't feel comfortable doing that. I'd rather let bidders decide what it's worth and then that's what I'll get... nothing more and nothing less.

[brett]

Originally Posted by collectbaseball

I don't really have a problem with you selling the card, and it was a great observation on your part.

But... when you post on the forum that it's for sale, it sort of makes it everyone's business.

My thing is why would anybody care? Say my sole intentions were strictly to make a profit on it, is there anything wrong with that? Why would anybody care about what my intentions are? It's simple... If people want the card they can bid on it, and if not then they won't.

[brett]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

This probably should be here: http://www.net54baseball.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16

I'm sorry... being new here I don't know what is supposed to be posted where. If it doesn't belong here just tell me how to move it or possibly Leon or one of the moderators can do it for me. Thanks.