T206 Brown OLD MILL's....Prints vs No-Prints

[tedzan]

Well, they can try to fake cards that resemble Leon's Mullaney card. But, they will not succeed. This Mullaney card is uniquely
significant. The combination of backs printed on it confirm a timeline that Scot Reader and I had theorized from our research.
I date the printing of this card to the Winter of 1909, when American Litho. started printing their 350 series cards. The initial
press runs were Piedmont 350 and El Principe de Gales. This we know from our study on the "Elite Nine" cards 4 years ago (a
Search for the Elite Nine thread tells you the story).

My point here is that whoever attempts to fake multiple backs on a given T206 card will not know the relative sequence. That
will be the tell-tale clue that such a card is not an original T206. So, have no fear ole buddy....Sherlock Holmes is ever vigilant.


TED Z

[ullmandds]

if he or she does their homework...they might know the sequence!

[tedzan]

Re-fronted (or re-backed) Cobb's, Matty's, Doyle error cards, etc. were identified as fakes, since the "card doctors" did
not know what series these T206 subjects belonged in. So, what makes you think these culprits will be knowledgeable
on something as complex as timelines of when the various backs were printed ?

Furthermore, the relativity of the various backs with respect to each other ?

TED Z

[ullmandds]

Ted...no disrespect of course...but...if I were a card md...I'd frequent this site every day. And you have to assume these guys become more sophisticated as time goes by...with each passing failure...with all of the info available on the internet and all.

[cfc1909]

Ted

Chan wont make a silly mistake next time like balck and red and he will succeed-there are too many buyers for his creations that don't have your education.


After Chan got caught he came on the forum as Scott B. and posted in his own thread asking about printing this stuff in his basement. You can bet your house he is reading this.

You hit the nail on the head Pete.

[tedzan]

Regarding your......
" but...if I were a card md...I'd frequent this site every day. And you have to assume these guys become more
sophisticated as time goes by...with each passing failure...with all of the info available on the internet and all."

Perhaps so......however, no matter how informative Scot Reader, Lew Lipset, Brian Weisner, Art Martineau, Jim
Rivera, John Wonka, Dan Koochin, I and others are regarding The Monster, there are subtle levels of complexity
that will elude the "card MD's". And, that will be their "achilles heal". So, it behooves us to be vigilant.

Should another multiple back printed card surface, such as Leon's Mullaney, you can bet your booty that it'll be
very closely scrutinized.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey guys......to quote the lyrics of Peggy Lee's 1969 torch song...." Is That All There Is ? "

We have a possible 34 cards with this very scarce back, and so far we have discovered only 1/3 rd of them.

Really....is that all there is ?

Yes, I know....I have repeatedly said that we live in a "1/3 rd" world; but, not here. There must be more of
these miss-printed backs out there ?


Thanks for your responses,

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

If all of the brown Old Mills that we know about are hand cut, and considering Leon's Mullaney, it's evident these cards were scrap that were saved before going into the trash. Maybe all 34 were not printed, or even more likely, all 34 didn't make it out the factory.

[tedzan]

Regarding your........"Maybe all 34 were not printed, or even more likely, all 34 didn't make it out the factory."

I would favor the latter part of that statement.

As, I have complete (and partial) UNCUT sheets of late 1940's & 1950's Bowman BB and FB. Also, 1950's Fleer
and Topps sheets.....and, in most cases these sheets were carried out from the printing firm by employees.

Therefore, all 34 of these T206's were printed on one sheet. So, I'm confident that more of these Brown OLD
MILL cards will eventually be found.


TED Z