I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Mark- I still think this is a good thread because it has allowed collectors a chance to research a photo and share their findings. That's a lot more than what goes on in most threads around here. The fact that the research may lead to a dead end, or to an erroneous finding, doesn't mean it's not a good one. At least it has made some people think. What's wrong with that?

Dan:
I would actually think that Mark would love threads like this because it gives him an opportunity to educate and also a new subject for research

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Yeah - OK

[square5000]

I don't mean to be a killjoy in this really fascinating thread, especially with a post from a newbie, but could the sliding player be Bill Bradley?
I believe his last year with Cleveland was 1910, and Lord was with the Chisox during the last half of 1910. Couldn't the photo be from 1910 instead of 1911?
Plus, he has prominent ears and a thin face similar to the sliding player (and a similar appearance to Jackson.) But, I have no explanation for the ankle wrap

If it's Joe Jackson, that would be really awesome and a great find. As others have stated, we'll never know for sure until the original photo is found.
Again, this is a great thread!


Note: Photos from a thread on baseball-fever.com

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by square5000

I don't mean to be a killjoy in this really fascinating thread, especially with a post from a newbie, but could the sliding player be Bill Bradley?
I believe his last year with Cleveland was 1910, and Lord was with the Chisox during the last half of 1910. Couldn't the photo be from 1910 instead of 1911?
Plus, he has prominent ears and a thin face similar to the sliding player (and a similar appearance to Jackson.) But, I have no explanation for the ankle wrap

If it's Joe Jackson, that would be really awesome and a great find. As others have stated, we'll never know for sure until the original photo is found.
Again, this is a great thread!


Note: Photos from a thread on baseball-fever.com

I believe it's been determined that Lord joined Chicago late in the 1910 season, and only played 3-4 games against Cleveland, and all the games were in Chicago. Based on this, the photo must be from 1911.

Steve

[bmarlowe1]

originally posted by brett:
The photo is confirmed to be from 1911, Joe was known to have worn a right ankle wrap that year, he physically looks the same as every other photo that shows him sliding, and most importantly if you've seen enough pics of Shoeless Joe you would know by just looking at his face on that card (not on a low-resolution computer scan) that it's him. The world heard it here on the Net 54 Forum first! You are all very welcome, and if there's any sort of award that comes with this Leon can just accept it on my behalf and donate it to the HOF.


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Why not make a high res scan and post it?

Dan & Barry - it should be clear why I don't like this thread. If I'm arrogant, at least I have a track record of being right about some things sometimes. This guy doesn't have a clue and nothing anyone says is going to help. He still doesn't know what he doesn't know, and kindly reasoning will not change anything. If he wants to comprehend reality, he should try to get a copy of this card placed in JJ's file at HoF.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Wishful thinking is not the same as fact. The photo is too grainy, and too little of his face is visible, to make a positive identification.

[Ladder7]

Im gonna agree it's JJJ... As soon as I get one in my hands.

[barrysloate]

Mark- I would like to see Brett a little more open-minded to other opinions. Let's see where this thread is at by post # 300.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Dan & Barry - it should be clear why I don't like this thread. If I'm arrogant, at least I have a track record of being right about some things sometimes. This guy doesn't have a clue and nothing anyone says is going to help. He still doesn't know what he doesn't know, and kindly reasoning will not change anything. If he wants to comprehend reality, he should try to get a copy of this card placed in JJ's file at HoF.

Mark, I don't think you're arrogant about it...I do think you come off as angry though when these threads pop up and I can understand that you don't like to see collectors be taken by misidentified photos, but IMO threads like these are educational. Even if some people can't be convinced it doesn't mean the thread isn't useful. A part of this hobby has always been speculation. It's fascinating to me what this thread did for a card that's been floating around the hobby for 100 years now as a "common." I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Brett has already stocked up on more than a few of these cards before posting this thread.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Mark,......I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Brett has already stocked up on more than a few of these cards before posting this thread.

Now that is a rational explanation. In fact - it may be the best post on this thread.

[brett]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

It's fascinating to me what this thread did for a card that's been floating around the hobby for 100 years now as a "common." I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Brett has already stocked up on more than a few of these cards before posting this thread.

Hahaha, I swear on my mother that I didn't start this thread for self-serving reasons. In the spirit of full disclosure I do have 2 of these. One of them is in my complete set and the other I have no plans to do anything with (I have a lot of doubles in this set).

[JasonL]

I am ready to say that it is reasonable to think that the sliding player on the T202 card is in fact a Cleveland player. But I think that is all we can know at this time.

I guess everyone overlooked the white wrap on the other foot. Its as clear as can be in seeing the distinct outline of the shoe, white wrap, and then black sock.

It's not JJ.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I guess everyone overlooked the white wrap on the other foot. Its as clear as can be in seeing the distinct outline of the shoe, white wrap, and then black sock.

It's not JJ.

Kind of hard to say that when his left leg is underneath his body completely out of sight.

[brett]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I guess everyone overlooked the white wrap on the other foot. Its as clear as can be in seeing the distinct outline of the shoe, white wrap, and then black sock.

It's not JJ.

The other foot is behind a huge cloud of dust and you're not seeing anything clear whatsoever. Pay more attention to the features on the player's face and tell me who you think it is.