T206 Brown OLD MILL's....Prints vs No-Prints

[tedzan]

JIM

I could have added Mullaney to the confirmed list. But, the Brown OLD MILL printing on it is inverted.
Is this the case with any of the 10 cards we have listed here ?


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

JIM

I could have added Mullaney to the confirmed list. But, the Brown OLD MILL printing on it is inverted.
Is this the case with any of the 10 cards we have listed here ?


TED Z

Leon can confirm this but I don't believe the Old Mill is inverted on this card. I think the back scan was inverted to better show the Young image.

[tedzan]

UPDATED....April 24, 2010

Listed here are the 34 Southern Leaguers that possibly can be found with Brown OLD MILL backs.
To date, 11 of them that have been confirmed..........

Bay
Bernhard....................Brown OLD MILL
Breitenstein
Carey
Coles
Cranston
Ellam
Foster........................Brown OLD MILL
Fritz
Greminger...................Brown OLD MILL
Guiheen
Helm..........................Brown OLD MILL
Hickman
Hooker
Howard
Jordan
Kiernan......................Brown OLD MILL
Lafitte
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Molesworth
Mullaney....................Brown OLD MILL
Otey
Paige.........................Brown OLD MILL
Perdue
Persons
Reagan.......................Brown OLD MILL
Revelle.......................Brown OLD MILL
Ryan
Shaughnessy
Smith (Atlanta)............Brown OLD MILL
Thornton.....................Brown OLD MILL
Violat


Assuming my conjecture is valid, then this Southern Leaguer group of 14 cards will NOT be found
with a Brown OLD MILL back.

Bastian
Hart (Little Rock)
Hart (Montgomery)
King
Lentz
Miller
Orth
Rockenfeld
Seitz
Smith (Shreveport)
Stark
Thebo
Westlake
White (Houston)


Perhaps, someone on this forum will prove me wrong regarding these 14 cards......and, post one
of these with a Brown OLD MILL back. In any event, let's see more of your Brown OLD MILL's ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

It's been reported that all of the known Brown OLD MILL cards are hand-cut.

Is this really true....that none of them are factory-cut ?


TED Z

[cfc1909]

ok-all the brown Old Mill cards I have seen are hand cut. Scott has told me for several years that he has a factory cut example. I have been after him for several years for a scan. I am thinking the Stark is the example he was talking about.
What is up with that card-has SGC made a descission on it?

About Leons Mullaney-Ted I think you may be on to something about testing the 350 backs and this card is an example of that, but please be cautious I think the Museum/Pat Chan are making these also. These multi strike examples have so much going on they are hard to say if they are legit or not.
I am pretty sure these are Pats new project and with very little to compare to these can be made and are very attractive to the 206 error collector. The key is they bring large coin at auction and there were some examples avalible for sale on the Museum.

Bottom line is know what you are spending your money on and try to find out where the card has been for the last 30 years. I am pretty sure Leon did his homework before spending what he did on that card.

[tedzan]

Well, they can try to fake cards that resemble Leon's Mullaney card. But, they will not succeed. This Mullaney card is uniquely
significant. The combination of backs printed on it confirm a timeline that Scot Reader and I had theorized from our research.
I date the printing of this card to the Winter of 1909, when American Litho. started printing their 350 series cards. The initial
press runs were Piedmont 350 and El Principe de Gales. This we know from our study on the "Elite Nine" cards 4 years ago (a
Search for the Elite Nine thread tells you the story).

My point here is that whoever attempts to fake multiple backs on a given T206 card will not know the relative sequence. That
will be the tell-tale clue that such a card is not an original T206. So, have no fear ole buddy....Sherlock Holmes is ever vigilant.


TED Z

[ullmandds]

if he or she does their homework...they might know the sequence!

[cfc1909]

inverted is upside down I think and I would still count it because it is brown-although that card has alot going on with all those backs printed in all directions-but I do think upside down counts

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[tedzan]

Hopefully Leon will chime in to set the record straight. But, it's my understanding that the OLD MILL printing
is inverted from the front picture.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Ted here's a link with images of the Mullaney in the holder. You can see from the flip that the Brown Old Mill was printed correctly in regards to the front.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...light=mullaney

[tedzan]

Thanks to Jim and Tim....there is an 11th Brown OLD MILL added to the confirmed list....Leon's Mullaney
card.
Leon's Mullaney card was originally printed with a Brown OLD MILL back (circa Summer of 1909). Subse-
quently (circa Fall/Winter of 1909), the printers used this card to test the new 350 Series backs. Of which
PIEDMONT 350 & EPDG were the very first to be printed. The Young image was also a test print (perhaps
since they carried Young over into the 350 Series).

If these printing errors were not so rare, it would not be surprising if most of the 23 remaining Southern
Leaguer's on the list would eventually be found with Brown OLD MILL backs.

Most likely, though, most of these cards were used as printer's testing scrap such as the Mullaney card.
And therefore, never left the American Litho. building.


TED Z