T206 Brown OLD MILL's....Prints vs No-Prints

[Bridwell]

Well done, Ted.

This is further evidence that the Stark brown Old Mill card in the Goodwin auction (#98) is bogus. SGC really looks bad on this one. I see that Goodwin has pulled #98 from the auction. What was SGC thinking?

Ron R

Originally Posted by Bridwell

Well done, Ted.

This is further evidence that the Stark brown Old Mill card in the Goodwin auction (#98) is bogus. SGC really looks bad on this one. I see that Goodwin has pulled #98 from the auction. What was SGC thinking?

Ron R

Is there proof it is bogus?? Ted says this is a theory and not conclusive proof. I would be more worried about those OM overprints. Why would they use a red overprint on them. Does not make sense. But nothing really does when there is no proof it is valid or not.

[tedzan]

Regarding your......
"Ted says this is a theory and not conclusive proof."

Please read my complete explanation that I presented in the 1st and 2nd posts here, as it details why there
is a very high probability that Dolly Stark is not possible with a Brown OLD MILL back.


And, regarding the Brown OLD MILL factory #649 red overprint cards.....we just covered this subject a couple
of months ago. You posted in it, so go back and review this entire thread......

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ght=brown+mill


TED Z

[cfc1909]

I am with Tim that Mullaney belongs on the list of confirmed brown Old Mill.

I would think as long as we have kept track of brown Hindu we have all the confirmed examples of the southern leaguers that exist. If another does turn up I would think it would not be one of the six Texas League players.


I think it is possible that when the Stark in question got submitted to SGC someone wrote brown on the submission and that is the reason it is on the flip. It is a mistake-it happens.

There have been mistakes where Heinie was mislabeled Honus and all that means is that it was a mistake-it is not a 2 million dollar card because it is labeled Honus. So the Stark is not a 4 or 5 thousand dollar card because it is labeled brown. It is a 75 dollar black Old Mill with a mislabeled flip. Unless the owner of the card can prove they paid brown Old Mill money for the card. That is the only way the Stark is any more than 75 bucks.

[tedzan]

JIM

I could have added Mullaney to the confirmed list. But, the Brown OLD MILL printing on it is inverted.
Is this the case with any of the 10 cards we have listed here ?


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

JIM

I could have added Mullaney to the confirmed list. But, the Brown OLD MILL printing on it is inverted.
Is this the case with any of the 10 cards we have listed here ?


TED Z

Leon can confirm this but I don't believe the Old Mill is inverted on this card. I think the back scan was inverted to better show the Young image.

[tedzan]

UPDATED....April 24, 2010

Listed here are the 34 Southern Leaguers that possibly can be found with Brown OLD MILL backs.
To date, 11 of them that have been confirmed..........

Bay
Bernhard....................Brown OLD MILL
Breitenstein
Carey
Coles
Cranston
Ellam
Foster........................Brown OLD MILL
Fritz
Greminger...................Brown OLD MILL
Guiheen
Helm..........................Brown OLD MILL
Hickman
Hooker
Howard
Jordan
Kiernan......................Brown OLD MILL
Lafitte
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Molesworth
Mullaney....................Brown OLD MILL
Otey
Paige.........................Brown OLD MILL
Perdue
Persons
Reagan.......................Brown OLD MILL
Revelle.......................Brown OLD MILL
Ryan
Shaughnessy
Smith (Atlanta)............Brown OLD MILL
Thornton.....................Brown OLD MILL
Violat


Assuming my conjecture is valid, then this Southern Leaguer group of 14 cards will NOT be found
with a Brown OLD MILL back.

Bastian
Hart (Little Rock)
Hart (Montgomery)
King
Lentz
Miller
Orth
Rockenfeld
Seitz
Smith (Shreveport)
Stark
Thebo
Westlake
White (Houston)


Perhaps, someone on this forum will prove me wrong regarding these 14 cards......and, post one
of these with a Brown OLD MILL back. In any event, let's see more of your Brown OLD MILL's ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

It's been reported that all of the known Brown OLD MILL cards are hand-cut.

Is this really true....that none of them are factory-cut ?


TED Z

[cfc1909]

inverted is upside down I think and I would still count it because it is brown-although that card has alot going on with all those backs printed in all directions-but I do think upside down counts

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[tedzan]

Hopefully Leon will chime in to set the record straight. But, it's my understanding that the OLD MILL printing
is inverted from the front picture.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Ted here's a link with images of the Mullaney in the holder. You can see from the flip that the Brown Old Mill was printed correctly in regards to the front.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...light=mullaney