T206 Wagner proof strip now in Philly...

[canjond]

Ted - you and I know each other fairly well and I certainly defer to you on many T206 subjects (in fact, probably most). However, I'm curious as to how you might be able to offer an alternative explanation for the overlapping and double-stike proof marks?

Even if you could imagine all 5 cards being precisely cut so that they could be pasted on a strip together in such a way that all proof marks line up (I'm sure that would be an extremely difficult process itself), it still doesn't explain the "double-struck" proof mark.

[carrigansghost]

Unless you have seen this strip, I don't see how you can comment as to it's authenticity. Conjecture as to it's origins are most welcome. Again I have seen this and am very comfortable with saying that it was printed as some sort of sample and not a conjured piece by some card doctor.

Not an expert, just my observations.

Rawn

[barrysloate]

How is that the Brown, Wagner, Young, and Kling have multiple heavy creases, but the Bowerman is nearly crease free?

[jeffshep]

For the record I definitely think it's vintage, not some contemporary card doctor frankenstein - just not sure it was printed as one sheet or pieced together. It would be very east to tell in person.

[jeffshep]

That Wagner crease to me looks like several instances of folding and opening - maybe the story about finding it in Wag's pocket in the attic is legit?

[tedzan]

I'm not sure I understand your "overlaping" comment ?

The cross-hair proof marks are very precise ID's for aligning the 6-color registration process in the printing of these cards.
Therefore, when these cards are placed adjacent to each other, I fully expect these marks to be in perfect alignment from
card to card.

Everyone has to realize that this is a pre-production piece. These are not completed cards, but thin-film like FRONTS that
I claim were affixed on a horizontal strip. Again, I repeat, the inconsistency of the colors of these 5 cards with respect to
each other is a total PRINTING IMPOSSIBILITY. I dare anyone to show me an UNCUT sheet, or strip with "crazy" colors as
these; and, lines between the cards ? ? ? ?


Regarding your last statement......."Even if you could imagine all 5 cards being precisely cut so that they could be pasted
on a strip together in such a way that all proof marks line up (I'm sure that would be an extremely difficult process itself)"

Jon....we are talking about the foremost Lithographic Co. in America back then. These printers were world class craftsmen.
This "junk" that we are mulling over here is incidental compared to the large pieces of complex artwork that they produced
on a daily basis during that era.


TED Z

[canjond]

Ted - the "overlapping" proof marks I'm talking about appear on the strip and are easier to see in person than on the small scan. In short, the proof marks between two of the cards have a double set of proof marks - in other words, one set was printed, and then another set was printed almost on top of the previous set, but just slightly askew so there is the smallest of gaps between them. In order for the "pasted" theory to hold water in my opinion, the strip would have had to be pasted together, then run through the printing process again after being pasted together, and the result would have been the slightly overlapping proof mark. I just can't see another way for the overlapping printers proof marks to appear on the strip if the strip was, indeed, pasted together.

[tedzan]

I'm sorry, but I don't see what you are alluding to, on the scan shown here.

But, more significantly, don't the following abnormalities trouble you........ ?

(1).....In the 6-color process used by American Litho. to print these cards, RED is the very last color to
be applied....yet Brown and Kling are Red; however, Bowerman is missing the Red "B" on his uniform.

(2).....CYoung's uniform color is missing, yet the other 4 cards have their normal uniform colors.

And Jon, please tell me when (if ever) you have seen any white-bordered card with VERTICAL LINES
printed on them ?

Regards,

TED Z

[teetwoohsix]

I have never seen this in person myself, but all of the board members who have seen it in person have pretty much the same opinion on it--that it appears to be one solid strip, and not some type of paste job.

Clayton