Bccg

[hunterdutchess]

Thanks for the info. I am going to try to buy it and see what happens. Like a post said "buy the card not the grade". Its a BCCG 9 63 Mantle and I will bust it out and send it to PSA, SGC, or BVG for a regrade. When it comes back I will let you know what happens.

[lharri3600]

Good luck!!

Originally Posted by hunterdutchess

thanks for the info. I am going to try to buy it and see what happens. Like a post said "buy the card not the grade". Its a bccg 9 63 mantle and i will bust it out and send it to psa, sgc, or bvg for a regrade. When it comes back i will let you know what happens.

[GehrigFan]

A BCCG 9 should be a BVG 7, 7.5, 8.0, or 8.5.

I'm not going to get into the same old argument we always do, but will add a couple notes below. I know many of you hate it. Yes, I wish the initial product had been rolled out with a different grading scale, but to change the scale itself now would only create chaos. No, it's not going away

We have made adjustments to clear up some of the problems, including:

1) Pre-1981 cards must now have a maximum HIGH book value of less than $300 to be eligible for BCCG grading. This rule applies regardless of condition—if the high Beckett value of the card is over $300, it must be graded under BVG standards.

2) We are working on label redesigns to bump up the condition (Poor, etc.) so it is even more obvious.

3) We instituted a code of conduct for large volume submitters and if we find anyone intentionally posting fuzzy scans, or misleading people to think that BCCG is the equivalent of BVG/SGC/PSA, that customer will be banned from submitting.

Also, as an FYI, the general scale is as follows (there may be some rare circumstances where it might be a half point different on a particular card):

BCCG 5 (Poor or Better) = BVG 1 or 1.5
BCCG 6 (Good or Better) = BVG 2 or 2.5
BCCG 7 (Very Good or Better) = BVG 3, 3.5, 4, or 4.5
BCCG 8 (Excellent or Better) = BVG 5, 5.5, 6 or 6.5
BCCG 9 (Near Mint or Better) = BVG 7, 7.5, 8 or 8.5
BCCG 10 (Mint or Better) = BVG 9, 9.5 or 10


Also, if you are resubmitting for BVG, I'd suggest you leave it in the case and just do a crossover, but that is up to you.

Sincerely,

Mark Anderson, Director
Beckett Grading Services

[Rich Klein]

BCCG 10 should not poor or better; you might want to edit that line

Rich

[GehrigFan]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

BCCG 10 should not poor or better; you might want to edit that line

Rich

Ha! edited... thanks Rich.

[Leon]

I am not trying to beat the dead horse here but I have to say, even though I am a huge BVG supporter, and think ya'll are light years ahead of the biggest grading company when it comes to pre-war knowledge and consistency, this scale still has me a bit confused. Here is why:


BCCG 5 (Poor or Better) = BVG 1 or 1.5
BCCG 6 (Good or Better) = BVG 2 or 2.5
BCCG 7 (Very Good or Better) = BVG 3, 3.5, 4, or 4.5
BCCG 8 (Excellent or Better) = BVG 5, 5.5, 6 or 6.5
BCCG 9 (Near Mint or Better) = BVG 7, 7.5, 8 or 8.5
BCCG 10 (Poor or Better) = BVG 9, 9.5 or 10

When we look at the BCCG 5 the scale for BVG is anywhere from 3.5 grades difference to 4 grades difference. As the BCCG grade gets higher the BVG difference gets smaller. That seems a bit confusing to me. I was just taking 4 grades off of BCCG and thought all was good...I guess not We'll have to chat about this one in person again. Is it lunch time yet?

(I am sure you meant the BCCG 10 was NrMint/MT or better and not Poor to Better)

[GehrigFan]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am not trying to beat the dead horse here but I have to say, even though I am a huge BVG supporter, and think ya'll are light years ahead of the biggest grading company when it comes to pre-war knowledge and consistency, this scale still has me a bit confused. Here is why:


BCCG 5 (Poor or Better) = BVG 1 or 1.5
BCCG 6 (Good or Better) = BVG 2 or 2.5
BCCG 7 (Very Good or Better) = BVG 3, 3.5, 4, or 4.5
BCCG 8 (Excellent or Better) = BVG 5, 5.5, 6 or 6.5
BCCG 9 (Near Mint or Better) = BVG 7, 7.5, 8 or 8.5
BCCG 10 (Poor or Better) = BVG 9, 9.5 or 10

When we look at the BCCG 5 the scale for BVG is anywhere from 3.5 grades difference to 4 grades difference. As the BCCG grade gets higher the BVG difference gets smaller. That seems a bit confusing to me. I was just taking 4 grades off of BCCG and thought all was good...I guess not We'll have to chat about this one in person again. Is it lunch time yet?

(I am sure you meant the BCCG 10 was NrMint/MT or better and not Poor to Better)

It all comes down to why the system was designed. It was specifically created for the Shop At Home Market, where all the lower tier slabbing companies were putting every card in a 10 holder, no matter what. We were asked for a system that could very quickly, and cost-effectively, give a rough overall grade to massive quantities of cards. The market was for modern cards in massive quantities, such as a retailer submitting 5,000+ LeBron James rookie cards or the like. Eventually, people started grading some BVG because they wanted the cheapest way to just know a card was authentic. But honestly, the original concept didn't even plan on more than a tiny handful of cards slabbed in BCCG holders less than Near Mint. It was never designed for vintage cards. The new cap on value will definitely help in correcting this.

As I've always stated, and tried to convince all our customers, vintage cards do not belong in BCCG holders. They belong in BVG holders. Now if you have 500 cheap Jeter RCs you want slabbed fast and cheap, we can talk BCCG.

[Matt]

Here is my biggest complaint - if the system is intended for the large volume submitters - why can anyone use it? Make a 1000 card minimum on any BCCG order and that will do a ton to limit the misuse that goes on.

[hunterdutchess]

I am suprised that you would make those changes to BCCG. I have seen a ton of pre-1981 cards valued over $300 slabed BCCG. It seems like you are going to lose alot of income by doing so.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Matt

Here is my biggest complaint - if the system is intended for the large volume submitters - why can anyone use it? Make a 1000 card minimum on any BCCG order and that will do a ton to limit the misuse that goes on.

Mark - any response?