I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[e107collector]

If you look at the T202's "Good Play at Third" & "Baker gets his Man," there is a Cleveland Player shown in the center panel of each.

Does anyone know whick Cleveland player is shown. Maybe it's the same one in question?

I posted links below.

Thanks,
Tony

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=13476

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=13460

[SethY]

I think the "Baker gets his man" card has the best chance of those two in being Jackson in the picture.

[sreader3]

Here's another 1911 picture of Joe, Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker from the Addie Joss Benefit game (Cobb lost his Tiger uni and is wearing Cleveland instead). Note that Jackson's right "sock" is white to about mid-shin.

I found another 1911 photo of Jackson scoring at League Park. Once again, the white right "sock" to mid-shin appears.

I'm thinking the T202 is Jackson.

[botn]

Does anyone have access to an archive for box scores from 1911 from the Cleveland Plain Dealer? I checked the online archives for the New York Times and while they have box scores they do not address the caught stealing stat. Would the Sporting News have anything? Here is an example from the NYT online archive from the game between Naps and White Sox on May 5th. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...639C946096D6CF

Cleveland hosted Chicago on the following dates in 1911:

5/3-5/6
6/28-7/1
9/4 for a doubleheader

[barrysloate]

Greg- did you check Retrosheet, which is linked to this site? I'll take a look now.

Just checked- no box scores for 1911. Some years just have line scores.

[botn]

Hi Barry.

I did check the site and exchanged emails with David who runs the site. They do not have 1911 up yet. He suggested the New York Times. Someone has the play by play for these games or at the minimum a more detailed box score.

[sportscardtheory]

Wow. Those photos with him wearing that white half-sock are pretty convincing. What would the odds be that another player was wearing the same white half-sock on his right leg.

[Tcards-Please]

Greg,

How do we know that he was really "caught stealing" and not just thrown out on a regularly played ball?

r/
Frank

[botn]

I am going to see if I can do a little research on the box scores which include a play by play for the games played in Cleveland against Chicago in 1911. Caught stealing is a stat which was tracked. There were 10 Cleveland home games against Chicago in 1911.

The Cleveland player in the Baker Gets His Man does look similar to the player in the Lord Catches His Man.

[SethY]

When would Cleveland be playing Philadelpia?

[botn]

This is from an image on the Blackbetsy site...Taken at the Addie Joss Benefit Game on July 24, 1911 and Shoeless has the inner black collar.

[botn]

Originally Posted by SethY

When would Cleveland be playing Philadelpia?

Cleveland hosted Philadelphia A's 11 times in 1911.

[sreader3]

In the photo posted in the preceding post Jackson's right sock is WHITE up to about mid-shin, whereas the right sock of the Cleveland player on his left is DARK all the way to the pantline. The same appears true in the T202 of interest--the sliding Cleveland player's right sock is WHITE up to about mid-shin. Or am I missing something?

[sreader3]

Or perhaps the white right "sock" could be some kind of wrap Jackson wore in 1911 for a right ankle sprain? Any history on this?

[botn]

Unable to link the panoramic photo but if you go to http://www.blackbetsy.com/joepics2.htm and move a quarter of the way down on the page to Panorama Photo From Addie Joss Day you can see the entire photo. Interesting to note that only one other player in that image has a white sock on the right foot and that player appears to be identified as Bill Lindsay and he was only on base 17 times in 1911. Odds are the only time he touched 3rd base were for the 15 games he played that position. Not sure what the significance is of the single white sock.

On the T202 Baker Gets His Man the lower part of the right leg is obscured.