I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[DixieBaseball]

The picture looks more like Joe than any other player I could imagine from Cleveland. I think Brett's theory is right on... Very interesting observation and I am surprised that it has never been brought up before.... Has this been under the radar all these years ? I think it makes sense and looks just like him pending the ear lobe is not too low and the point of his nose is perpendicular to his eye brow.

[tbob]

Too bad the card isn't entitled "Jackson out at third". Of course if it were, it would be selling for 4 figures.

[Steve D]

Apparently, someone thinks it's Joe Jax.....three of the cards have been BIN'd on ebay just this afternoon.


Steve

[Matt]

Originally Posted by steve d

apparently, someone thinks it's joe jax.....three of the cards have been bin'd on ebay just this afternoon.

lol
I think one of the W game action cards was similarly purported to be of Cobb - they still sell as commons. Too many on the Cleveland team with similar characteristics to tell here with any certainty, though if Mark says otherwise, I reserve the right to retract my comment .

[packs]

Baseball-Reference is showing that there were 38 players on Cleveland's team in 1911. So if this photo is from 1911, there is a 1 in 38 chance that it is Jackson. Personally, the photo is so hard to see I don't think you could really make a determination. But purely gut feeling tells me that Jackson looks like a baby in his T5 and that guy sliding into third has the look of a grizzled veteran to me. It also looks like th sliding player's stirrups don't continue to their foot, while both photos of Jackson show him wearing stirrups that go all the way to his feet. Although that could just be the angle.

[barrysloate]

Let's see if this card starts showing up on ebay with the description T202 Joe Jackson. My gut says it will.

[barrysloate]

I also think Brett deserves an award for the best first post ever!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Let's see if this card starts showing up on ebay with the description T202 Joe Jackson. My gut says it will.

I don't think there's any doubt. And the beauty of it is that unless someone can prove it's absolutely not him, the seller can't be held accountable.

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Let's see if this card starts showing up on ebay with the description T202 Joe Jackson. My gut says it will.

You are correct once again Barry. It certainly didn't take long for someone to add JOE JACKSON to an auction site title: T202 HASSAN Lord / Tannehill SHOELESS JOE JACKSON PSA 4. Let's see what this one ends up being? Didn't list the auction as I didn't want to P&^% someone off, but it isn't too hard to find.

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Frank

Sorry guys, didn't know it was advertised on the BST ebay side, other wise I wouldn't have brought this thread to the top again.

[brett]

Originally Posted by packs

Baseball-Reference is showing that there were 38 players on Cleveland's team in 1911. So if this photo is from 1911, there is a 1 in 38 chance that it is Jackson. Personally, the photo is so hard to see I don't think you could really make a determination. But purely gut feeling tells me that Jackson looks like a baby in his T5 and that guy sliding into third has the look of a grizzled veteran to me. It also looks like th sliding player's stirrups don't continue to their foot, while both photos of Jackson show him wearing stirrups that go all the way to his feet. Although that could just be the angle.

I'd say it's a much better than 1 in 38 chance. Half the guys you're talking about were pitchers who had a total combined 537 plate appearances, while Joe had 641 alone that year. He also led the team (by far) in hits, doubles, triples, steals, and average (.408 that year). In fact, if you want to go by stats it's MOST LIKELY that it would be him sliding into 3rd in that picture. Also, he looked very grizzled from a young age. Look at more pics of him. He also has the same ears, face, and long and lean build.

[Tcards-Please]

After I analyzed the evidence, with a dual-column gas chromatograph, Hewlett-Packard model 5710a with flame analyzing detectors, I have concluded that it could be anyone on the Cleveland team in 1911, but if I were going to make an educated guess, I would say it is either Joe Jackson or Ivy Olson.

I couldn't resist using a line from one of my favorite movies

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Frank

[brett]

Also, this is how old he looked in 1910...

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by T's please

After I analyzed the evidence, with a dual-column gas chromatograph, Hewlett-Packard model 5710a with flame analyzing detectors, I have concluded that it could be anyone on the Cleveland team in 1911, but if I were going to make an educated guess, I would say it is either Joe Jackson or Ivy Olson.

I couldn't resist using a line from one of my favorite movies

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Frank

So you're Vinny's cousin eh?????

Sorry, it was waaay tooooooo easyyyyyyyy

Steve

[Ladder7]

Thought provoking... Though it means little, "Cobb sliding" was 1909.

[Peter_Spaeth]

No disrespect, but on the basis of that tiny image, with cap pulled down, no one could reasonably be 99 percent sure about the identify of this player -- in my opinion.