Crossover Issue

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by dancollins

T206 Collector you should go work for SGC or buy stock in their company you defend them like someone would their Mother or Girlfriend

In all fairness when someone starts a thread with the title, "Very Very Disgusted with SGC - Beware" you have to expect a reaction. I am also a believer in SGC, however I feel objective and when they get it wrong I will say it. I don't think your issue warrants a rant matched by the thread title.

[dancollins]

Originally Posted by Robextend

In all fairness when someone starts a thread with the title, "Very Very Disgusted with SGC - Beware" you have to expect a reaction. I am also a believer in SGC, however I feel objective and when they get it wrong I will say it. I don't think your issue warrants a rant matched by the thread title.

Well Rob we all have opinions thanks for yours!!!

[jbsports33]

I just had some cards graded as well and yes SGC can be tough, but you have to understand both PSA and SGC kind a have a different perspective with grading cards - I still deal with both and for the most part no issues. I would love to get better grades and sometimes I feel SGC maybe off a bit, but I still accept the fact they look at way more cards then me!

Jimmy

[Peter_Spaeth]

Another grade I don't agree with. The point is, both companies grade differently, despite the superficial similarity in numbering.

[FUBAR]

my opinion on re-slabbing is that i wouldn't do it, i don't care whose slab it is in as long as it is one of the big three. To each their own, but it seems a little narcissistic!

Dan

While i agree it sucks, but "ya roll tha dice, ya takes your chances" with getting a re-grade. When something is subjective like grading, you have to accept the consequences.

Point is, you still have great cards.

[calvindog]

[dancollins]

Here is one more example this is my Plank that I purchased in last years REA auction..... SGC had this one wrong I crossed it over to PSA and excepted the downgrade and the image will show you why. I don't feel it hurt the value at all a Plank is a Plank

[dancollins]

I was furious this morning and I am glad I posted because some of these posts were so comical they actually put me in a good mood!!!


The funny thing is that if I would have sent 105 T207's to PSA that were in SGC holders for crossover and the same result happened I guarantee many of these posts would be much different. People would be saying see I told you PSA sucks... Here is my real opinion I think SGC and PSA both suck. Unfortunately for our hobby cards are worth more in the holders. Some posters are saying well who cares what they are graded they are the same great cards. That is a line of crap, whether you want to admit it or not collecting these cards are also an investment with the money they cost, so in an industry dominated by "grading" it absolutely matters. I used to be 100% anti grading.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by dancollins

I used to be 100% anti grading.

And I used to be 100% pro PSA. You can probably do some archival searches on here from a 6 or 7 years ago where I was trumpeting the virtues of PSA. But then I learned the differences between the two companies and how they saw T206 cards and I had my whole collection crossed over to SGC -- with eyes wide open.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

And I used to be 100% pro PSA. You can probably do some archival searches on here from a 6 or 7 years ago where I was trumpeting the virtues of PSA.

Probably because you owned CLCT stock.

[barrysloate]

Jeff- that D304 Martens Hal Chase isn't even close to a 3. It's not even a nice 2. But it's a beautiful 1!

Joe- that N172 Brouthers looks more like a 6.

[barrysloate]

No question Dan that the hobby lives and dies by grading. Too bad it evolved that way, but that's the way it is.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Robextend

In all fairness when someone starts a thread with the title, "Very Very Disgusted with SGC - Beware" you have to expect a reaction. I am also a believer in SGC, however I feel objective and when they get it wrong I will say it. I don't think your issue warrants a rant matched by the thread title.

I think Dan deserves some slack here for the rant. He just lost thousands of dollars in grading and the value of his cards. If that happened to most of us, I think we'd be similarly upset. (And Dan has already admitted he should've put a minimum grade for crossover down. However, I'd still be upset if I were him. I recently got in a dispute w/ Chase bank where I lost $70 in overdraft fees because of a mistake where Chase Mortgage didn't communicate with Chase Online, and I was steaming because of that. And that was only 70 bucks!)

[barrysloate]

Thanks Daryl. I still don't know all of PSA's half grades.

If that is the case, the card would merit a 1.5, IMO.

[dancollins]

Originally Posted by glchen

I think Dan deserves some slack here for the rant. He just lost thousands of dollars in grading and the value of his cards. If that happened to most of us, I think we'd be similarly upset. (And Dan has already admitted he should've put a minimum grade for crossover down. However, I'd still be upset if I were him. I recently got in a dispute w/ Chase bank where I lost $70 in overdraft fees because of a mistake where Chase Mortgage didn't communicate with Chase Online, and I was steaming because of that. And that was only 70 bucks!)

thank you Gary!!!

[FUBAR]

The OJ that was posted, in my opinion, is way over graded. should be a 4, those corners were rough

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by glchen

I think Dan deserves some slack here for the rant. He just lost thousands of dollars in grading and the value of his cards. If that happened to most of us, I think we'd be similarly upset. (And Dan has already admitted he should've put a minimum grade for crossover down. However, I'd still be upset if I were him. I recently got in a dispute w/ Chase bank where I lost $70 in overdraft fees because of a mistake where Chase Mortgage didn't communicate with Chase Online, and I was steaming because of that. And that was only 70 bucks!)

Of course I have been in situations like that as well, however I would not take it out on someone if it wasn't well deserved. From the few T207 examples I saw, I don't believe anyone should be disgusted with SGC.

The only good thing is that here is that there is a lesson learned. Always use the minimum grade method when you do not want to drop grades.

Dan - Didn't mean to sound unsympathetic., either way you still have great cards.

[calvindog]

I feel bad for Dan only in that he tried to cross cards over and it didn't work out the way he wanted -- and may have cost him money.

I feel less bad for him when he claims that SGC "ripped him off." Because SGC didn't rip him off.