Crossover Issue

[dancollins]

Another point I want to make is that while going through these cards when I got them back I do agree that some of them deserved to be downgraded but not 52. That is my problem and the point many is missing. 52 cards out of 103 is a bit over the top and it does clearly show bias. I ask the people that think SGC does no wrong to step back for a moment and see that they have inconsistent grading as well. Since many people talked so highly of SGC I figured I would give them a shot and it didn't work out for me. Now they will never get a hold of my T206's and T205's.

The real lessons learned is grading companies do not like giving crossovers and put a minimum grade on your submissions.

[Robextend]

I have over 800 cards slabbed by SGC and I agree no grading company is perfect. I have had very few disagreements out of all those cards. Many times when I expect a higher grade then I get, it is often me who missed something. One thing about SGC is that you can always reach out to them and have them explain it.

I do use the crossover service, and when I do, I pretty much know what to expect based on SGCs grading methods.

Again I am sorry it didn't work out for you, but many times you need to examine the card beyond the slab it is in. In the examples you have shown so far, a good argument can be made for downgrades.

Rob

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by dancollins

The real lessons learned is grading companies do not like giving crossovers and put a minimum grade on your submissions.

If you learned that SGC does not like giving crossovers you have shown no objective evidence in support of this lesson.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by dancollins

52 cards out of 103 is a bit over the top and it does clearly show bias.

Or it clearly shows original overgrading.

[T206Collector]

What Nolemmings said is completely spot on.

[rhettyeakley]

I disagree w/ the notion that bias does not come into play when grading a previously graded card as I don't think it is bad for business in the long run. I'm not surprised by the reaction on this board in regard to their quickness to agree w/ what SGC does, even I find myself more in agreement w/ SGC on cards than PSA. It is clear that this board will never agree w/ PSA on almost anything so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Ask those that are PSA apologists and they will have just as many stories of PSA wholesale rejecting SGC cards to cross over--so it goes both ways.

However, I have seen it done too many times to disregard it as fallacy.

[Orioles1954]

Rhett,

That's why pliers and screwdrivers were invented.

[dancollins]

Thank you Rhett that is the point I have been trying to make.

[rhettyeakley]

James, I kid you not I can crack a PSA or SGC slab in 6.8 seconds flat (I had my wife time me!) so I totally understand. Ironically, those GAI slabs are tough SOB's in relation (and don't even get me started on the Beckett ones!).

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Ask those that are PSA apologists and they will have just as many stories of PSA wholesale rejecting SGC cards to cross over--so it goes both ways.

However, I have seen it done too many times to disregard it as fallacy.

What I am looking for is evidence of a card submitted in an SGC holder that PSA graded higher than the SGC grade. SGC routinely upgrades PSA cards, where warranted. Anyone have any examples of a PSA upgrade from an SGC card that was submitted for a crossover?

[calvindog]

I once had a common 1956 Topps card in an SGC 86 holder which crossed to a PSA 8. Probably a $20 card. And it was the only upgrade I've ever gotten from PSA.

[dancollins]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

What I am looking for is evidence of a card submitted in an SGC holder that PSA graded higher than the SGC grade. SGC routinely upgrades PSA cards, where warranted. Anyone have any examples of a PSA upgrade from an SGC card that was submitted for a crossover?

I sure do here i s a card that was an SGC 70 I do not have the original scan... Jerry Totino might because I purchased it from him sent it to PSA for a crossover and it was bumped to a 6

Originally Posted by dancollins

I sure do here i s a card that was an SGC 70 I do not have the original scan... Jerry Totino might because I purchased it from him sent it to PSA for a crossover and it was bumped to a 6

The centering and diamond cut (look at the top) does not deserve a 6. That card seems to have been graded acurately or a bit high IMO by SGC. Looks like some cads I have that are 4's and 5's.

Crap the pic did not come with it. Refer back to post of the UZIT t206. Nice card none the less