V61 or W572 Fake Ad Back

[brianp-beme]

I seem to remember reading about W572's that had a fake (Neilson's?) ad stamped on the back...perhaps it was in the SCD catalog. I don't remember if they showed a picture of the back or not, just a listing under the name of the Mfg stamp and indicating that the stamps were not legit. And have never seen those Cafe du Monde cards Leon...It still is cool to see something new (and sometimes twice a day) after so many years of collecting.

Brian

[Leon]

I am sure I have only seen a small fraction of backs...so there is no doubt there could be some W572's that have ads, real or fake.

[fkw]

Lemke has a picture of one in the SCD Standard Catalog, its right after the other 2 Neilson sets (page 242 in the 2009 SCD).

I have seen a couple on eBay but not in a long time. The ones I saw were graded by PSA.

They are thought to be authentic W572's with a modern stamp on back.

I have always thought they might be completely authentic (stamp included), but Ive never seen one in person. The reason being the back on these is of a different design. It is block letter like the V61-2's, but the wording is different, V61-2's say "Neilsons Big League Bars", these W572's say "Neilsons Chocolate Bars", etc...... plus they both say 120 in series which is also right for the W572's.

[rhettyeakley]

Like Frank says they are authentic W572's that were believed to be "stamped" on back with an ad for Neilson's Chocolate in order to deceive.

I have never personally examined one myself and have also wondered about their authenticity...but I am not privy to the info that Lemke used in the SCD write-up, so I am unsure if it was proven that these were falsely stamped or if they have info as to who was doing it, when they were doing it, or anything else.

Without having all the known details surrounding the W572 baseball players story I would point out that it wasn't without precident that Neilson's would create smaller cards like this... there were two different car sets produced by Neilson's around the same time (one in B/W on front & one in color which share the same style back)...see scan here comparing size of W572 (well cut) to the car series (I forget the ACC # for the cars):


Please note: the supposed "stamped" baseball backs are completely different from these car backs, I bring up the car cards only to compare the sizes of the two sets

[Leon]

Thanks for showing that W572. I had never seen one like that, with the Neilsons back, and guess I missed the article on them. Without having the card in hand to inspect it's difficult to say if it's real or not. Even with card in hand it could be difficult.

[rhettyeakley]

Leon, just to clarify the card back I show above is that of one of the Car Series cards NOT the "stamped" baseball series spoken of here. I was simply pointing out hat Neilson's made a set of cards on thick paper stock roughly the same size as a W572, that all.

I have copied the image of the back of the "stamped" baseball series from the SCD (I hope Bob Lemke doesn't mid) below. This is the back whose authenticity is being questioned...

[Leon]

Thanks again, very much. Yes, I had misunderstood your post. That new one you posted looks very, very suspect. I would be surprised if it is real. regards

[fkw]

********Edited to say, Rhett answered my question

[Zach Wheat]

That's it. Thanks Rhett.