1915 W-Unc cards- Redux

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

the Irwin/Erwin and Lobert cards definitely looked different to me than the others--the photo area was much wider with no side borders. Maybe Lew thought there would be no reason for there to be two team pictures/composites, and/or the cropping of that card and the Matty was different, irrespective of size, and that's why he thought those two you won were from a different set.

If you look at the team composite that was in the 2nd grouping (above), it also has the wide-picture look. Just as the two type 2's I acquired were the same size as the other cards, so are the Lobert/Erwin cards, I would venture to guess. It's sort of an optical illusion that makes them look wider but it's really their cropping of the photo's...all imnsho (in my not so humble opinion), except for my 8 cards shown. Those sizes are fact.

here is a link to the auction

http://www.oldjudge.com/auction/very-rare-w-cards/

[nolemmings]

unless Lew played with the scans, the Irwin and Lobert are clearly wider in the size of their photos than the cards you showed:

[Leon]

Until I see exact measurements from someone that has them then I will respectfully disagree. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Thanks for the debate, regardless

[nolemmings]

unless Irwin and Lobert are narrower, and I doubt they are, then the cards are clearly different. It's not a question of cropping, it's a question of image area. Far more of it is available side to side on Irwin and Lobert, unless Lew changed the aspect ratio when he made the scans. Put differently, I believe the Irwin and Lobert cards measure the same if not wider than the others, and even if they measure the same, if you were to add any kind of side borders they would be wider. IMO, they were either trimmed close because little/no border was intended by the issuer, or because of a bad cut. Either way, they look much different to me.

[Brian Van Horn]

I hate to disagree with Lew, but the Lobert is, in my opinion, undoubtedly a strip card. I have a Rucker which is the same size:

[Brian Van Horn]

One clarification:

The Lobert and the Rucker cards are the same size, but the picture for the Lobert is sizably larger side to side, but matches top to bottom.

[nolemmings]

The Lobert and the Rucker cards are the same size, but the picture for the Lobert is sizably larger side to side, but matches top to bottom.

This is why I don't believe they are form the same set, although I admit they have similarities.

BTW, even if the same size, why do you believe these are strip cards? The edges are so badly worn that it is impossible to tell if they were hand-cut, IMO, but to my eye they at least appear evenly cut along the edges, if you don't consider centering.

[Leon]

My guess is the the Irwin and Lobert are the same size as the others, give or take a 64th, just like the other 2 that Lew said he thought were from the same set (and there is no debating their size). I am going with same set. Maybe more information will be found in the future. This kind of stuff keeps it interesting for me....thanks again

also, the 2 cards of Lobert and Irwin have the same cropping of the photo like the team composite I showed. I would bet their physical sizes are similar, which has been my main point.

[Brian Van Horn]

Todd,

The reasons I think they are strip cards is the variance of the sizes of the cards. Admittedly, the Lobert and the Rucker are the same top to bottom and side to side. Am I contradicting my previous post? No.

Also, the cut on the cards. The Lobert and the Rucker as well as the other cards I have posted have the same right border (of course, you have to stand up the Maranville), but the left border is gone from the Lobert. Finally, based on the samples from both sets listed by Lipset, and from the cards of Leon and myself, the borders and size vary.

Now, you can make the same argument for overall size of the E121s, but that is for another day....

[nolemmings]

Leon, I guess we're just talking past each other. The Lobert and Irwin might be the same size, but I can make an Exhibit the same size as a Topps card, and that doesn't make them the same. There is no side border on the Irwin and Lobert. The area comprised by the photo is larger on those cards--that is not cropping. If indeed they were hand-cut, then someone cut the borders off just so they would be the same size--not unlike how some pre-war cards were allegedly trimmed so that the collector's cards would all be uniform. If so, they came from different sets, IMHO.

Brian, you completely lost me when you say the cards you posted have the same right border.