Goodwin is up

[Matt]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

That's a little on PSA and a lot on the auction house - how do you not straighten the card out in the case before scanning it? I can't imagine the consignor was happy to see that.

[wonkaticket]

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

Not so sure this is Brown...factory cut..which I've never seen on a Brown Old Mill...also way too dark IMO.

[Bridwell]

That's funny, John. Sure looks black to me!

I've got a Magee T206 card labeled as a PSA 5 Magie error. Maybe Goodwin will take it on consignment?

Ron R

[E93]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

Not so sure this is Brown...factory cut..which I've never seen on a Brown Old Mill...also way too dark IMO.

Yikes! Somebody made a big mistake. SGC better get that pulled before they have to pay $1000s for it.
JimB

[JP]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

Not so sure this is Brown...factory cut..which I've never seen on a Brown Old Mill...also way too dark IMO.

Agreed. For years I thought the difference was minimal and thought I owned several. Then I saw one in person and saw that the difference is MAJOR. Just compare the scan from the brown back in the last auction to this one. Doesn't even seem remotely similar in color.

EDIT: Damn you Jim, you beat me by a minute!

[teetwoohsix]

Wow.

I don't know what was going on at PSA when they were grading those OJ's,,,,and the one floating around in that slab,looks like it may have done a little corner damage?

I also once thought my Ike Rockenfeld T206 was a brown back,,,but,of course,just faded black.That "brown back" looks pretty "black".Maybe it's just the scan?

Clayton

Edit to add:Just saw your post Gary-agreed.I would be pissed if I submitted that beautiful card to PSA and they sent it back floating around in their slab like that!!!

[wonkaticket]

Even with Goodwins very own scanner so the color should be good...the Old Mill brown from his last auction and the current one.

You have to chuckle a bit the last one was missed and wasn't labeled as brown until towards the end, and this one which is labeled up front but most likely isn't brown.

Bill did say (Hi Bill) he had one coming up that he was on the fence on this has to be it. I would say that card is not brown IMO. The label should say boomerang because that card is coming back to either Goodwin or SGC.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

That's a black back Old Mill, no question about it.

And it's time some of the hobbyists petitioned the graders to hold a seminar about grading Old Judges, and explain to them that they don't have a clue. If collectors know more than the graders, what's the point?

[M's_Fan]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

That's a black back Old Mill, no question about it.

And it's time some of the hobbyists petitioned the graders to hold a seminar about grading Old Judges, and explain to them that they don't have a clue. If collectors know more than the graders, what's the point?

No doubt that is a black old mill. It doesn't reflect well on Goodwin that they are trying to profit on an obvious mislabel. I don't see REA trying to pull this.

Those OJ's are so mis-graded its hilarious. I like your suggestion John, but although the grading problems are most acute with Old Judges, in my opinion it also very evident in whatever issue the companies are grading, because the image quality counts for nothing (see recent thread on REA Plank grades).

Fat chance they'll listen to us though, the grading companies think of themselves like great oracles of wisdom that we must bow down to...

[botn]

Originally Posted by E93

Yikes! Somebody made a big mistake. SGC better get that pulled before they have to pay $1000s for it.
JimB

Yeah it is a really good thing for the winner that SGC has that "guaranty".

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Matt

That's a little on PSA and a lot on the auction house - how do you not straighten the card out in the case before scanning it? I can't imagine the consignor was happy to see that.

Who would bid on that card anymore at PSA7 pricing? The corners are sure to get dented moving around like that.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Matt

That's a little on PSA and a lot on the auction house - how do you not straighten the card out in the case before scanning it? I can't imagine the consignor was happy to see that.

Regarding the N172 Nicholson that's moved around in the holder.....problem with trying to straighten it out is that you could end up doing more damage to the card. I've tried it myself with a 1974 Topps stamp that had become diagonal in the holder.....after I tried to straighten it out, it had become so wedged into the holder's edges, that there's now absolutely no way to straighten it out, and no way that it's still in the grade it was in at the time of encapsulation

Steve

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Regarding the N172 Nicholson that's moved around in the holder.....problem with trying to straighten it out is that you could end up doing more damage to the card. I've tried it myself with a 1974 Topps stamp that had become diagonal in the holder.....after I tried to straighten it out, it had become so wedged into the holder's edges, that there's now absolutely no way to straighten it out, and no way that it's still in the grade it was in at the time of encapsulation

Steve

I assume if it were sent back to PSA for re-holder it wouldn't make a difference?

[murcerfan]

got rare?

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by murcerfan

got rare?

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

lol

[wonkaticket]

Ok now I’m really confused apparently the OM in question belongs to the Levy’s? Was this card also turned down by REA recently Scott and why?

Scott you and your pop have seen enough of these what leads you think this one is brown curious to know?

Perhaps it is brown and I’m making a mistake?

For the record I can’t imagine these two passing off a card in a mislabel. If any two collectors know the pain of getting a bogus card in a graded holder these guys would.

Sorry if I made a mistake it just looks so black Scott….

John

[slidekellyslide]

How do you know that it belongs to Scott, Wonka?

[danmckee]

Sincerely,

Dan Mckee

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by glchen

I assume if it were sent back to PSA for re-holder it wouldn't make a difference?

who knows? I once had a cracker jack floating around in an over-sized PSA holder (but at least it had a mylar sleeve to help keep it in place) that I sent in for re-holdering and it came back in a perfect fitting holder.