Looking for opinions on this Chick Hafey signature

[packs]

Here is the O'Doul which I did not win. To me the signatures don't look like they were made by the same person, but they are in the same pen and look as though both photos were taken by the same person. Are they both fake?

[mr2686]

here's some assumptions. Based on the two photographs and the teams they were playing on...and assuming they were taken by the same person at or around the same time, that would put these photos at around 1932 or 33. I have seen a ton of Lefty O'Doul autographs but I do not believe I have seen one pre 1933, at least that I remember. Everyone of them has the top of the D curl around and create a straight line over the oul in O'doul. With that said, maybe this is prior to him starting that. This auto has enough similarities that , to me, if it was someone copying his signature, they would obviously know about the D...that would be the easiest to copy. If it were me, and for the price, I would have picked them both up and sent them off to Richard Simon or Jim Stinson to verify. At the very least, you would have a nice piece of baseball photography history of a hall of famer and a should be hall of famer (again, my opinion)

[rhettyeakley]

They look to be done in the same hand to me. The use of quotes on both along with the almost exact "f" and "y" in Lefty and Hafey makes me lean towards not autographed.
-Rhett

[ullmandds]

I'm certainly no expert...but the y's look very different to me?

[packs]

I'm not an expert either but in my opinion the Y's and F's are different. The seller had the photos listed as being from 1932. Both these guys lived almost into the 1970s (Hafey 73 and O'Doul 69) so we're talking 40 years in between for them to change their signatures. They could both very well be extremely fake. It's just a very weird fake to go through the trouble of making, especially since it's clear that if these are fake the forger at least had some sense of what the signature looked like and lacked some sense of what later signatures looked like.

[mr2686]

that's exactly what I'm thinking as well

[prewarsports]

To me the "e" in Lefty and the "e" in Hafey are the telltale signs that the same person probably wrote those. That is a very distinct almost upside down looking v and it is exactly the same on each. I am not an authenticator and am just giving my opinion.

However, the good news is, you got that Hafey cheap even as an original photo and from my experience as a guy who has collected photos for over 10 years, Hafey is a tough guy to get an image of. I am not sure if he was self conscious about his glasses, shy, or nobody cared, but of all the Hall of Famers of his era, he is one of the toughest. For example, right now I have about 75 different images of Babe Ruth, and 5-10 each of other guys like Bottomley, Hornsby, Foxx, Wilson, Hartnett etc. and I dont own a single Hafey and have not for years so signed or not, you did well.

[rhettyeakley]

I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing (the "f" in those two names is almost exactly the same to me) so I will just have to respectfully disagree with you guys.