How Many Vintage collectors Sprinkle in Some Pujols?

[Browncow75]

Bonds was on the list of 104 players testing positive for PEDs in 2004? Along with ARod and a few other noteables you listed (including our closer, Ryan Franklin!). Maybe not.

[ScottFandango]

Unfortunately for Pujols, he will always be suspected, because he played in the "steroid era"

He has been the only player to ever publically say "he would give back ever penny he made if he was found to be using Peds".....

Manny showed the signs of steroid for many years : Severe mood swings and odd behavior....Pujols NEVER has had those symptoms...

[PWeso81]

Originally Posted by Browncow75

Bonds was on the list of 104 players testing positive for PEDs in 2004? Along with ARod and a few other noteables you listed (including our closer, Ryan Franklin!). Maybe not.

I didn't know about Bonds on the list. Seems like it would be "case closed" for him if that were true. My point is that everyone who has done the impossible have had some help.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by PWeso81

I didn't know about Bonds on the list. Seems like it would be "case closed" for him if that were true. My point is that everyone who has done the impossible have had some help.

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!

PUJOLS has been putting up the same stat line since he was 12 years old!

he developed strong legs as a youth because he used to carry his drunk father home every night..Pujols' father was a legendary player in DR, and he used to party ALL NIGHT long after the games and Albert used to TAKE CARE of his father and LITERALLY carry him MILES on his back...

[PWeso81]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!

PUJOLS has been putting up the same stat line since he was 12 years old!

he developed strong legs as a youth because he used to carry his drunk father home every night..Pujols' father was a legendary player in DR, and he used to party ALL NIGHT long after the games and Albert used to TAKE CARE of his father and LITERALLY carry him MILES on his back...

Hey man, I am not bashing. I truly hope he is clean. The steroid topic is sooo worn out...I am finished. Roids or not...he is amazing.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by PWeso81

Hey man, I am not bashing. I truly hope he is clean. The steroid topic is sooo worn out...I am finished. Roids or not...he is amazing.

nuff said

[M's_Fan]

Does Pujols have a rookie card? I bet he has about a 100 rookie cards. I bet there are about a 100 different Pujols cards from each month he has played in the big leagues. The card companies of Pujols' era have printed cards like, well, like our government prints money. They printed so many they became worthless, so then they had to invent something else like a "refractor" card.

And my other point is, what the hell is a refractor? I seriously had to look it up:

re·frac·tor
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈfrak-tər\
Function: noun
Date of origin: 1769

Refractor: a telescope whose principal focusing element is a lens

So you put a bunch of tin foil on a card, call it a "refractor" (which it isn't, unless they make a card that is actually a telescope with a lens, which they just might do in a very limited and expensive series coming soon) and that gets people excited?

So the answer is no, I'm never tempted to collect Pujols.

and in my opinion you could combine the misdeeds of Bonds, McGwire, Palrmero, and Sosa and it wouldn't hold a candle to the dirty player that Cobb was, or a few others in the early days.

[Browncow75]

Refraction is the change in direction of a wave due to a change in its speed. This is most commonly observed when a wave passes from one medium to another at an angle. Refraction of light is the most commonly observed phenomenon, but any type of wave can refract when it interacts with a medium, for example when sound waves pass from one medium into another or when water waves move into water of a different depth. Refraction is described by Snell's law, which states that the angle of incidence θ1 is related to the angle of refraction θ2 by


where v1 and v2 are the wave velocities in the respective media, and n1 and n2 the refractive indices. In general, the incident wave is partially refracted and partially reflected; the details of this behavior are described by the Fresnel equations.

[ScottFandango]

the fact is there was a LIMITED amount, SERIAL NUMBERED amount of cards produced...

FAR LESS than then number of T206 CHASE cards..Far less than many tobacco cards....FAR less than the 52 mantles...

FAR FAR less than 1968 RYAN....


point is, there may be MANY DIFFERENT KINDS of pujols rookies (183 to be exact) there are not ten of thousands available...

and for the player he is, that is a SMALL amount based ont he demand...

[Browncow75]

The most expensive Pujols RC was an Autographed Bowmans Best redemption consisting of 500 issued, and according to Bowman, not all were redeemed, and were never issued to the public. Food for thought. Not necessarily validating the enormous price they demand at this juncture of his career.

[ScottFandango]

Actually it was the Bowman Chrome, a soon to be iconic card...

it routinely fetches $3000- $7000 depending on the grade....

since the redemption expired in early 2002, not all 500 were redeemed...

an ON - CARD auto (not a sticker)..from a very popular modern set BOWMAN CHROME

[Browncow75]

Mr. Fandango...Thanks for the correction! I knew it was a Bowman, just the wrong issue! Great points made by all!

[packs]

Although Albert's numbers are ridiculous, I had a lot more fun watching Griffey and Frank Thomas.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

the fact is there was a LIMITED amount, SERIAL NUMBERED amount of cards produced...

FAR LESS than then number of T206 CHASE cards..Far less than many tobacco cards....FAR less than the 52 mantles...

FAR FAR less than 1968 RYAN....


point is, there may be MANY DIFFERENT KINDS of pujols rookies (183 to be exact) there are not ten of thousands available...

and for the player he is, that is a SMALL amount based ont he demand...

Unfortunately, there is evidence of more Pujols rookies being circulated into the public then the initial 500. The latest count for Pujols rookies numbered 005/500 is at 6. It is possible that people are forging the number for an extra few hundred bucks but what is stopping Bowman from printing $7000 for virtually pennies? Upper Deck has shown us that modern card companies are setting their standards lower than the collectors and it is very possible that Bowman could pocket the extra cash. That is why all serial numbered cards should be engraved rather then written on with a blue sharpie.

And Pujols today is better then any right handed hitter to ever play the game. I don't believe he is juicing but I didn't for A-Rod or Manny either.

[teetwoohsix]

Looking at that scan of the rookie card,I am not seeing how you say he's lost weight since then

Anyhow-it was a fun thread,but I'm heading on back to the pre-war area folks

Clayton

[fkw]

The problem with Pujols, is his cards are modern.

They are ALL limited edition collector issues, like Beanie Babies, Franklin Mint, Starting Lineup, etc. with a preconceived value at issue (blame the price guides)

A "true" collectors cards was always included FREE with a product or service of some kind.

For a card to have future value (supply and demand) it has to become naturally rare over time.... it had to have little to no value at issue, used and abused, and eventually a high % trashed. ie Comics, Stamps, Coins, Movie Posters (1 sold for $690K), Beer Cans (one sold for $20K), Cards, Hot Wheels, Pez dispensers (started eBay), etc.

Thats why I dont like modern cards, Most now are intentionally (artificially) rare limited edition collector issues, and 99% are and always will be NRMT+

PS.
Looking at Pujols body, Id say PED, but I also dont care much that players did/do PED's, They dont make the player! Pitchers did/do it too! Plus the average person gains a pound a year from 20-40 yrs old.

[Browncow75]

As far as Bowman printing more of these now and trying to sell them as originals,
They wouldn't necessarily benefit from printing more of these cards directly, unless they sold the particular cards themselves for $2000-7000. Sort of a "Beckett Media" situation where they grade the cards and sell them on their own website. I'm not sure Bowman has the outlet to sell their individual cards to collectors for that sort of money, unless they were to make them, and have a bogus Ebay account they would use to pass them off to the public. Just a thought.

[MBMiller25]

There are two modern cards (post 1971) in my collection today.

1. 1989 Upper Deck Griffey AUTO

2. 2001 Upper Deck SPX Albert Pujols

Although I dont collect modern cards, I am still on the look out for a couple more Pujols rookies outside the Bowman Chrome. I like other members would rather spend 3K on something else, but dont have a problem spending $500-$750 to acquire a couple more Pujols RC's. I have very little concern that he is on a the juice. Im my opinion its a shame that we most likely are watching one of the greatest players of all time, play out his carreer in front of us and we have to question whether the stats he's generating are real or enhanced. Pujols is a great human being and a true pleasure to watch on the ball field.

[FrankWakefield]

I just got another 2004 Topps Heritage Chrome card of Albert Pujols in the mail. The cards are serial numbered, 0001 through 1955. This most recent card brings my total to 29, which would be 1.4% of those made.

When I saw this thread a while back, it reminded me of the Pujols cards I'd accumulated. I got a few more. And the pile reminds me of a fine thread we had a while back about "Koteles Collecting", that thread is in the Archives.

Maybe I'll pick up a few more, either to get to an even 30, or to the 2% mark.

[tesitzes24]

Being from St. Louis, every time I see Albert crush a home run, it crosses my mind that he could be juicing. I really don't think he is, but if it comes out one day that he is or was on the juice, I wouldn't be totally shocked.

In my mind, there is only one person who put up serious numbers since the mid 80s that I would bet anything that he never used PEDs....Ken Griffey Jr.