Cobb/Cobb card in Goodwin Auction - Page 3

Steve D · #**101** 04-26-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago206

The REA Cobby is looking right at me...the Goodwin Cobb is looking up and to the left.

That isn't unusual though. Due to the printing process, many T206s have registration issues with the eyes. On different examples of the same card, the eyes can be looking straight ahead, up, down, left or right. It's just the way they were printed.

Steve

Chicago206 · #**102** 04-26-2010, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve D

That isn't unusual though. Due to the printing process, many T206s have registration issues with the eyes. On different examples of the same card, the eyes can be looking straight ahead, up, down, left or right. It's just the way they were printed.

Steve

Ok, thanks. I just learned 2 new things. First, about the eyes, and second that the term "registration" doesnt just refer to the thin black line between the white border and the background.

tedzan · #**103** 04-26-2010, 07:52 PM

Hey guys, I have at least two T206's that have the background color spilling over the framed border of the card.
So, that upper left printing flaw is not unusual.

Also, if you compare many Red Cobb's, you will find an occasional one with the coma lining up with his uniform's
seam line.

Since I had a real close-up look at this card back in the March Philly Show, the thing that strikes me is the darker
Red background color, as compared to all other Red Cobb cards.

TED Z

Peter_Spaeth · #**104** 04-26-2010, 08:06 PM

It seems odd, to me anyhow, and I don't know what to make of it, that one card has so many apparent anomalies. Perhaps none of them in isolation is significant, or perhaps even none in combination, but when they coincide on such a valuable card, it seems fair at least to be having the discussion.

ullmandds · #**105** 04-26-2010, 11:45 PM

with so few known to survive...you'd think not too many were made in the first place. Would there be such printing/gloss variations with so few made...I mean the two background reds appear very different? I don't know?

JP · #**106** 04-27-2010, 12:07 AM

Maybe the red ink is the same, but the gloss alters the appearance?

calvindog · #**107** 04-27-2010, 06:36 AM

Also, isn't the point of buying this card to get the unique back of the card? Why spend 150K on the card when the back looks like crap compared to other examples of the card which could have been had for 1/3 the price? Again, makes no sense at all.

Peter_Spaeth · #**108** 04-27-2010, 07:22 AM

Jeff you will have to ask that question to the winner and underbidder(s).

Jim VB · #**109** 04-27-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Also, isn't the point of buying this card to get the unique back of the card? Why spend 150K on the card when the back looks like crap compared to other examples of the card which could have been had for 1/3 the price? Again, makes no sense at all.

Since we started this thread, (not necessarily because of it) the REA Cobb has picked up a couple more bids. It's up to $60k versus $45k a few days ago. I think it will close in the same area as the Goodwin Cobb.

Jacklitsch · #**110** 04-27-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB

Since we started this thread, (not necessarily because of it) the REA Cobb has picked up a couple more bids. It's up to $60k versus $45k a few days ago. I think it will close in the same area as the Goodwin Cobb.

$135,000 with the juice? I'll take the over.

wolfdogg · #**111** 04-27-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Dang-that Rucker Piedmont 42 went for some bucks...........

I was thinking same thing.......are they that rare?..........may have to get my Rucker Fact.42 slabbed and sell it.........

ullmandds · #**112** 04-27-2010, 04:25 PM

i think you probably missed the boat on the rucker escapade!!! must have been 2 crazy back completionist collectors going at it!!!

wolfdogg · #**113** 04-27-2010, 04:49 PM

Yep................

chiprop · #**114** 04-27-2010, 05:13 PM

I'll take the under. REA's crease is heavy.

wonkaticket · #**115** 04-27-2010, 06:22 PM

http://sports.ha.com/common/view_ite...&src=pr#PHOTO#

Here's another that the price makes no sense at least to me..4.5k for this card.. what am I missing? Factory 42 OP's are not that tough...

The SGC 80 bare hand in the same auction was almost 1.5k cheaper...

barrysloate · #**116** 04-27-2010, 07:01 PM

Not everybody really knows what they are doing.

Peter_Spaeth · #**117** 04-27-2010, 07:16 PM

Every damn card I bid on, and we are not talking anything exotic, seems to go for a world record price or at least one that makes no sense to me.

calvindog · #**118** 04-27-2010, 07:39 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that any of the insane prices received in Goodwin auctions will revert to lower prices in REA. You know, like the D304 Cobb:

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=13101

Under/over of 275K (what it sold for in Goodwin)

Peter_Spaeth · #**119** 04-27-2010, 07:54 PM

Jeff I get outbid no matter whose auction it is, can't win a thing.

Rob D. · #**120** 04-27-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jeff I get outbid no matter whose auction it is, can't win a thing.

Start consigning. Then you'll see lower prices for sure.

vorthian · #**121** 04-27-2010, 08:07 PM

<< One aspect of the Goodwin Cobb that seems to have been missed here is the fact that this one appears to be only the third example to not have a glossy surface (out of ~15 total examples known of the Cobb/Cobb back. >>

Steve D.,

Absolutely correct. Most of these examples are found with the glossy surface. The ones that lack that, some argue, were pulled pre-final production and are called "proofs."

Jim VB · #**122** 04-27-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob D.

Start consigning. Then you'll see lower prices for sure.

Maybe he should start consigning AND start bidding on his own items. With Peter's luck that would drive the price up and he would win.

Peter_Spaeth · #**123** 04-27-2010, 08:29 PM

But who would let me bid on my own cards?

Jim VB · #**124** 04-27-2010, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But who would let me bid on my own cards?

Jeff would, if he had an auction house.

calvindog · #**125** 04-27-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB

Jeff would, if he had an auction house.

Hey, I'm just a good guy, not a great guy.

Jim VB · #**126** 04-27-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Hey, I'm just a good guy, not a great guy.

And yet, some would disagree.

Rob D. · #**127** 04-27-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Hey, I'm just a good guy, not a great guy.

But a "great" lawyer. Or so I've read. Somewhere.

calvindog · #**128** 04-27-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB

And yet, some would disagree.

Well, it's true, sometimes I talk about some of the bad things in the hobby and that just sucks because this hobby is great and it's all about the relationships and the great friends we make. Gosh. Darn.

Peter_Spaeth · #**129** 04-27-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob D.

But a "great" lawyer. Or so I've read. Somewhere.

Probably on his website.

Rob D. · #**130** 04-27-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Well, it's true, sometimes I talk about some of the bad things in the hobby and that just sucks because this hobby is great and it's all about the relationships and the great friends we make. Gosh. Darn.

You forgot "golly."

calvindog · #**131** 04-27-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob D.

You forgot "golly."

Yes, true. Golly!

JP · #**132** 05-01-2010, 07:09 PM

Interesting that the REA Cobb is still so far below the Goodwin...and all the Planks seem to be way below where they should be...

ullmandds · #**133** 05-01-2010, 08:20 PM

wouldn't the t214 victory cobb currently up for grabs in the rea auction be tougher than the cobb/cobb? not as iconic...but tougher?

calvindog · #**134** 05-01-2010, 08:24 PM

Pete, there's a ton of rarer Cobb cards than the Cobb/Cobb.

Here's one:

Rob D. · #**135** 05-01-2010, 08:34 PM

Much like the Masters not really starting until the back nine on Sunday, REA doesn't really begin until 1 a.m. Sunday.

rman444 · #**136** 05-01-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

wouldn't the t214 victory cobb currently up for grabs in the rea auction be tougher than the cobb/cobb? not as iconic...but tougher?

T214 Victory Cobb - 2 known
T206 Cobb Back - 15 known

Steve D · #**137** 05-02-2010, 12:21 AM

Does anyone know what happened to the Goodwin Cobb/Cobb back?

I was just looking at their auction results, and the final bid is listed as $0.00. It looks like they cancelled the bids on it.

Steve

Jim VB · #**138** 05-02-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve D

Does anyone know what happened to the Goodwin Cobb/Cobb back?

I was just looking at their auction results, and the final bid is listed as $0.00. It looks like they cancelled the bids on it.

Steve

Very interesting!

OK. Who wants to make up the first story?

JP · #**139** 05-02-2010, 01:19 AM

Maybe the buyer just doesn't want the data to be in VCP....

Jim VB · #**140** 05-02-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JP

Maybe the buyer just doesn't want the data to be in VCP....

Too late for that. VCP has been reporting it for close to a week.

Besides, that decision isn't up to the buyer. Auction houses that have a business agreement with VCP would probably have a contractual obligation to report ALL sales, not just the selected few.

Matt · #**141** 05-02-2010, 01:38 AM

Perhaps the winning bidder, seeing the REA one going for much less decided not to pay Bill and instead go after the REA one.

Jim VB · #**142** 05-02-2010, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Perhaps the winning bidder, seeing the REA one going for much less decided not to pay Bill and instead go after the REA one.

Perhaps. But wouldn't Bill then try to sell it to an underbidder and sue the renegger for the difference?

Matt · #**143** 05-02-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB

Perhaps. But wouldn't Bill then try to sell it to an underbidder and sue the renegger for the difference?

I have never heard of Bill suing a renegger.

If he did sell to an underbidder, I don't think that sale would be entered as the auction results. I think the auction would show a no-sale and that would be a different transaction.

nolemmings · #**144** 05-02-2010, 01:49 AM

don't you have a prom queen about to come home?

Jim VB · #**145** 05-02-2010, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings

don't you have a prom queen about to come home?

LOL! Just walked in the door. Earlier than I expected, too!

nolemmings · #**146** 05-02-2010, 01:52 AM

now you can roll up your sleeves and do some serious bidding!

Jim VB · #**147** 05-02-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt

I have never heard of Bill suing a renegger.

If he did sell to an underbidder, I don't think that sale would be entered as the auction results. I think the auction would show a no-sale and that would be a different transaction.

Well, that's how I would run "my" auction house!

It will be interesting to see what Bobby does with VCP. I suppose he will have to take down that bid also.

JP · #**148** 05-02-2010, 02:49 AM

Maybe the Cobb/Cobb is being broken down by Gloss or No Gloss, as they are pretty distinct differences....whatever it is, I'm hoping there is a reasonable explanation. I don't feel like anything nefarious is going on...and I'm not sure we are even owed an explanation. Maybe its as simple as the buyer or seller wanted the price taken down....just like on our own B/S/T!

teetwoohsix · #**149** 05-02-2010, 03:03 AM

I like the one in the SGC holder (REA),over that one in the PSA FR 1.5 holder....

Peter_Spaeth · #**150** 05-02-2010, 09:10 AM

Perhaps the buyer became concerned about authenticity and Bill agreed to cancel the transaction.

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