List of known Red HINDU's....can you add any new ones ?

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

it could be something simple like they ran out of brown.... because it probably really didn't matter to them, it was after all, just a card..

a different green could be simply a different batch.

Jim -

I appreciate what you're saying but ALC wasn't a small print house where running out of ink would be no big deal.

Even if it didn't matter to them they were working for ATC and with such a huge customer they certainly cared about what they were doing and the why down to the correct factory designation.

Along with the Hindu red the Sovereign greens were changed for a reason, we just haven't figured out why yet.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Jim -

I appreciate what you're saying but ALC wasn't a small print house where running out of ink would be no big deal.

Even if it didn't matter to them they were working for ATC and with such a huge customer they certainly cared about what they were doing and the why down to the correct factory designation.

Along with the Hindu red the Sovereign greens were changed for a reason, we just haven't figured out why yet.

I wonder if it's as simple as their advertising for the Hindu brand went to more reddish colors? Just a guess. As for Sovereign green, I used to work in a textile plant and a good friend of mine was the color man. Sometimes as minor a thing as a drop or two of one color in a mix being eliminated would lead to variations. It may have been as simple as a different color man doing the mixes.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by toppcat

It may have been as simple as a different color man doing the mixes.

It could be that simple but I would think we would see color variations in other backs given the amount of cards printed and number of times ALC workers would have had to mix the inks.

However the Sovereign color change was uniform across a print run from what I understand. To many known cards to be just a mistake or variance.

[teetwoohsix]

You all are making some great points!!Tim,I was also wondering about the Sovereign forest green/apple green mystery change while I was thinking about the Red Hindu back-it's hard to determine if this was a mistake,a well planned out marketing strategy,simply running out of a certain color,possibly an off mix,or done intentionally to separate the first series Brown Hindu from the latter series Hindu(Red).I think every possibility is worth exploring!!

Sincerely,Clayton

Edit to add-Tim,you may be on to something with the color comparison.I have no idea if it's been done already,but sounds like a good comparison to do,and could possibly bring us closer to understanding more about this.

[Abravefan11]

Last note and I'll let the experts take over:

Ted found that the "Apple Green" Sovereign backs were exclusive to the 350/460 print run. Here's the link to the thread.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...overeign+apple

During this same print run ALC dropped the frame from the American Beauty backs.

Are the two related, I don't know.

These things lead me to believe that ALC was very conscious of what they were doing in regards to the backs including the colors they used to print them. After all to ATC the back was more important than the front.

[cfc1909]

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=112571


post #27 tells of the apple green Sovereign-Ted also figured out the No Print


red Hindus are a bit different than Sovereign apple green because apple greens are 350-460 players only and red Hindu can be 350-460 and 460 only

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

red Hindus are a bit different than Sovereign apple green because apple greens are 350-460 players only and red Hindu can be 350-460 and 460 only

Jim - Sometimes I'm guilty after 3 or 4 posts of seeming to stray from my original thought. Here' what I was trying to say in a nutshell.

ALC made deliberate changes to the backs of some cards during specific print runs. I mentioned the "Apple Green" Sovereigns as an example of a definitive switch in ink color and not just an anomaly. Same with the red Hindu's, that was a change made for a reason.

The answer could lie in the groups of cards that were printed at the same time.

If we know through Ted's research that the Red Hindu's were printed with the Broad Leaf 460's could the brown back of the Broad Leaf have caused ALC to make the switch to Red for the Hindu's to make the backs have greater contrast?

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Sometimes as minor a thing as a drop or two of one color in a mix being eliminated would lead to variations. It may have been as simple as a different color man doing the mixes.

LOL! For close to 30 years my wife has laughed at me that I lived my life as a box of Crayola 8 Crayons (What do you mean there's more than one blue?) while she, and my 16 year old daughter work off the Pantone Color Chart, with infinite choices.

I still do NOT understand how we can be ready to paint a room, she can look at the yellow paint, and say "That's got too much red in it!"