Fake '33 Goudey Lou Gehrig card on eBay

[cfc1909]

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[iggyman]

In regards to the authenticity on the '33 Goudey Gehrig on eBay.....

1. First thing to look for is the bottom red border, it should not match up perfectly at the ends with the rest of border (this also applies to the infield dirt right above the bottom red border). Sometimes this is hard to see on a scan but this one fails miserably. On an authentic '33 Goudey card the bottom red box and infield dirt would not square-up.

2. Secondly, his bat should extend into the top upper white border (albeit faintly). This one does not extend into the white border.

3. Thirdly, the button at the top of his cap should not be missing. This one passes this step, sometimes on reprints the button is cropped.

4. Lastly, the borders around the card and his uniform should NOT be too white compared to the rest of the card. This one is a bit too white. That uniform should not be so white.

That is what I look for on the front of the card to determine authenticity. This one failed on 3 of the 4; thus, it's not authentic. Frank Ward is real good at spotting fakes and he has always been very generous with his knowledge. Most of what I've learned has been from his input.

Lovely Day...

[iggyman]

Jim posted a picture of a real Gehrig card. Notice how it passes all the tests of authenticity.

Lovely Day...

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks iggyman.I do remember one of those threads where this was being discussed.The one in question is now at $300.00+!!

Clayton

[iggyman]

Here is the fake one on eBay. Notice the difference???

Lovely Day...

[ChiefBenderForever]

It's really a tough call imo, I have also never seen a fake with bleeding through, but the red appeared to bleed through on the back a little to far to one side but if fake it is the best fake I have ever seen. I'm still not convinced one way or the other 100%.

[iggyman]

I've seen plenty of fakes with bleeding on the back. Believe me, that is not a strong indicator of authenticity. You mean to tell me you cannot see the difference in color? That fake Gehrig is white as snow!!!

Lovely Day...

[teetwoohsix]

Johnny,that's one of the things that had me confused also,was the red bleeding through the back.It seems like the reprint ones I looked at didn't have that.A lot of (not all) the ones that I looked at in graded holders had the red bleeding through the back.

Edit to add-I can easily see what iggyman is pointing out,and have decided if I was ever to buy one of these Gehrig beauties,I would only buy one already slabbed by SGC-these seem alot harder to spot than fake T206's!!!

[fkw]

Its a fake, but one of the better ones because of the wet sheet back.

Everyone seems to look at different areas...
I look at the overall color (darker areas are too dark compared to the lighter ones, face has a "raccoon eye" look). The dirt doesnt blend well into border like the authentic do, also the red strip is exactly the same width as the rest of background (authentic cards the red strip ever so slightly doesnt match up with the background above where they meet the border).

[FUBAR]

Once it is pointed out you can see it. However what makes this one tough is that it isn't a scan , rather an average at best photo, which is probably done on purpose.

Thanks Iggy and Frank... info like this is always appreciated.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Yeah this is a great fake, so good it's up to 500.00 OUCH !! Someone is getting a royal screw job on this one. Thanks to Iggy for pointing this one out !

[Jewish-collector]

Thanks for the info.

Is this one real:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-Goudey-Base...51911443731805