What We Have Learned About Ty Cobbs With a Ty Cobb Back

[Abravefan11]

Here is a larger image of the ad originally posted by Shawn.

[Chicago206]

Wait....that ad is dated 1910...yet it says Penn Tobacco. I was just informed earlier in this thread that ATC controlled Cobb Tobacco by 1903. Hmmmmm....the plot thickens.

[E93]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

Wait....that ad is dated 1910...yet it says Penn Tobacco. I was just informed earlier in this thread that ATC controlled Cobb Tobacco by 1903. Hmmmmm....the plot thickens.

If you were paying attention, you would know that you were actually informed that Penn Tobacco was bought by ATC in 1903. But paying attention does not seem to be your strong suit. It was one of a number of smaller tobacco companies owned by ATC before the monopoly was broken up in 1912.
JimB

[canjond]

In addition to what Jim said, it is fairly common for products to be marketed under the original company even after being purchased. For example, Allen & Ginter was acquired by the ATC in the 1890s, and then transferred to Liggett & Myers after the trust break-up of ATC. However, its packaging also said "produced by Allen & Ginter," and then somewhere (usually below that) would say "successor ATC" or "successor L&M."

Another observation from the ad, however. Not three cities are listed - one of which being Atlanta. This coincides with Ted's observations of a Ty Cobb back appearing in Russell's collection around 1910. Atlanta surely was one of the markets for this product.

[PWeso81]

Can someone give me a very, very short rundown of the problem with the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb being considered a true T206?

Thanks

[vintagewhitesox]

This is a great thread, when distilled to the facts, very informative. Thanks Jim and Ted for the info. This should be archived.

[Abravefan11]

For what it's worth the Ty Cobb Tobacco advertisements appear as follows in 1910 newspapers:

Macon Telegraph, GA - Feb 8, 10, 12, 13. Mar 8

Augusta Chronicle, GA - Feb 20, 27 Mar 6, 13

Grand Forks Herald, ND - Mar 6

Bisbee Daily Review, AZ - Mar 6

Evening News, CA - Mar 8

The Augusta Chronicle's four ads were the only to feature the Cobb image Shawn originally posted and myself above.

[PWeso81]

Originally Posted by PWeso81

Can someone give me a very, very short rundown of the problem with the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb being considered a true T206?

Thanks

I am still interested in knowing why this debate is so heated. I have no agenda. I am here to learn. I just do not want to read 200 posts to figure it out.

Thanks