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[calvindog]

I don't expect it to happen, but I'd like to know the grading history of the cards sold in an auction; whether the cards have been crossed, rejected, etc. Of course, such information would only be provided if the auctioneer had such knowledge.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't expect it to happen, but I'd like to know the grading history of the cards sold in an auction; whether the cards have been crossed, rejected, etc. Of course, such information would only be provided if the auctioneer had such knowledge.

Jeff it is difficult to imagine a scenario where it would be in the seller's interest to disclose that, given that it is probably a safe assumption that any grading history would detract from the card not add to it -- at least in most cases. Whether it is material from a legal standpoint is an interesting question we have debated before.

[botn]

I suppose that info is relevant however where do you draw the line on the provenance of a card? I have broken cards out of CSA and PRO holders because I thought they were good and had them grade. On the flip side I have broken out cards from SGC and PSA holders and not had them regrade. We get information on grading history but what does that REALLY tell us?

Not to bring this up again but the T206 Cobb SGC 60 I won out of B-L I would have bid on even knowing it was crossed out of the GAI 6.5 holder. The SGC holder SHOULD be enough of an assurance a card is ok.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Greg to use the Cobb as an example, if hypothetically it had been rejected twice before someone got it to grade, I think that is something I would want to know. Although maybe I would be better off not knowing. I am less concerned about cards changing grades because of the subjectivity involved.

[botn]

I see your point Peter but no way an auction house is gonna disclose that. Imagine the write up... Graded EX but took 3 attempts and $200 in submission/shipping fees over 6 months to get this one holdered!

Ask anyone who submits large volumes of cards and they will tell you the grading services make mistakes. Just because it grades does not mean it should. Similarly just because it has been rejected does not mean it should.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I agree Greg, but that said I would still want to know about rejections. Knowledge is power, or something like that. And I would tend to err on the side of thinking a card that has been rejected and also has graded is bad. Someone must have seen something on the prior occasion that gave them hesitation. Will it ever happen? No, most likely not, for the reasons you state.

[botn]

Collecting graded cards requires one to have incredible amounts of faith in the the holder the card has been encapsulated. Though having a keen eye for detecting alterations (at least those which can be be seen through the holder) would also prove to be helpful.