Absolutely deplorable actions by a fellow forum member!

[barrysloate]

Not much I can add that hasn't already been said, other than to say this whole thing is deplorable. And I don't even want to take sides.

But a short piece of advice to Jamie: never, ever assume you are going to win something at auction before the auction ends. What if a serious T206 back collector was looking for a Uzit Jennings, or a Uzit Seymour, for the last ten years? And he saw this as his one and only chance to get one. You would have been dead in the water. Repeat: never, ever assume you know what an auction lot will go for, and furthermore, don't sell anything you don't own. Whatever your intentions, that is very bad business.

The rest of this argument is pretty much "he said, she said" kind of stuff so I will stay out of it. Thank you.

[buymycards]

This is kind off point, but I am curious as to why Heritage is selling 2 Uzits in 1 lot. Considering the rarity and the fact that there are so many people interested in Uzits, wouldn't the consigner make more $ if these were sold individually? Personally, I might consider placing a healthy bid on 1 Uzit for my personal collection, but I don't really need or want 2.

Rick

[Edwolf1963]

Only thing I can think of reading through all of this is Jaime didn't want to disclose the location of the card and auction for fear of weakening his buying position - now the entire board knows where it is, what it is and when it ends. Heritage and the seller of this lot couldn't have asked for better promotion!

[T206DK]

no doubt Ed....my brother collects rare backs and hadn't even looked at the Heritage auction until I told him last night ! This "deal" being discussed sounds shady at the least. Why should board members be allowed to sell cards they don't even own ?? I think something should be done so this behavior doesn't continue on the BST area.

[Jewish-collector]

Perfect thread for Easter Sunday.

[frankb22]

As soon as I saw that BST listing the first thing I thought was that
he didn't have the card. That's why he was being so vague and it had
no scans which he usually posts.

I decided a while back that I would not be doing any deals with Blunder after
he stole my entire EBay listing of photo, set-up and lengthy description after I
sold him an item. To some it may seem like no big deal but it just rubbed me
the wrong way and showed no respect, especially since he knew I was a board
member. I blocked him from my auctions after that. I just don't care for the
way he goes about things.

[Sixtofan]

"What if by some small percentage this auction went up to a rediculious amount? More then I was willing to pay..... Then I would have to appoligize because my deal fell through.. and look to make it up to him in a future deal..."

I would never advertise something I didn't own, I realize others may feel differently. The even bigger issue for me is, I just cannot understand the quote above. It appears Blunder was not going to follow through on the deal if it got too pricey. That is wrong, this is clearly a willingness to break your word

[Blunder19]

Frank,

I "stole" a picture... of what.. a card that I owned at the time? .... after I buy a card i always save a pic from the seller... dont you? Its a pic of my card. I love how people are trying to ruin my reputation. after years and years of collecting I have never had 1 person where money was exchanged say 1 bad thing about me.

Im sorry to have wasted everyones time. This is rediculious that I am put on blast in such a way. Really?? a 12-15 page thread on this?? just rediculious.. I hope that auction ends at $10,000. I want no part of it now.

I told Chicago I didnt own the card .. not in our very first dialog.. so for that Im sorry... how many dam sorrys do I have to give.. and I didnt let him wait the 2-3 weeks thinking I owned the card. Thus the start of this thread. If my intentions were to lock up his money thinking I owned the card.. I would have never said anything to him.. and he would have not started this ranting and raving thread.

JP... I asked you about the 1400 BEFORE I had an agreement with Chicago... can you comprehend that....Im tired of you blabing your mouth that I wasnt going to come through fro Chicago... who are you to speak of my intentions?? I recall a thread about you being shady with deals not too long ago.... Chicago offered 1300 .. I didnt say yes at first...I wanted to see if anyone else wanted to go higher... we had no agreement then... but then he emailed me that he wanted an answer or he was out... which was after any talks with you. Thats when I said ok.. Is that NOT how it happened Chicago?


The 2 cards are very different in value. a HOFer and a commoner. by looking for an auction buddy, I would have tryed to agree upon a price with the other buyer for the jennings. One problem. I was not sure of the market value for the jenninngs. I had an idea but thought posting on the bst would get people to make offers and then I could have an agreement with the highest one realizing a more accurate market value for the jennings uzit.... so one last time thge way i went about finding market value and a partner was wrong. so I am sorry. Chicago now if you want your jennings you can spend 2k+ because thats what it is goinng to end at.

Im not looking at this page once more on easter.. going to spend time with my family... hopefully you are doing the same and not reading this crap... maybe by tomorrow this can be a 20 page thread on a deal where no money was exchanged and one "member" who could start a 20 page thread blasting anyone.

Chicago= Mad drama... deal with him if you like that... me, I get enough of that from my GF. so Im good on that front.

[calvindog]

And your spelling sucks too.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And your spelling sucks too.

Jeff,

That's uncalled for and "rediculious!"

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

Im sorry to have wasted everyones time. This is rediculious that I am put on blast in such a way. Really?? a 12-15 page thread on this?? just rediculious.. I hope that auction ends at $10,000. I want no part of it now.

Someone had to come off the bench and fill in for Bruce now that he's in the penalty box for 30 days! It's what we call a Bad Beat in the casino business.

[ullmandds]

Jamie...I don't know you...other than that you put together a t206 set in record time...then sold it...and are now putting together a t206 backs collection...but your attempted sale was unethical and just wrong...and the way you're handling this is pretty poor. If you were to admit that what you did was wrong...and apologize...this would go away...but the way you're acting...this will not soon go away...it'll only get worse. Happy holidays to everyone!

[Exhibitman]

There is a big difference between preselling a card that is part of a deal you have in place and preselling a card that you are trying to win in an auction. In the former situation you have an actual property right to sell (a contract in place for the item but possession hasn't passed yet) while in the latter you have nothing legally yours to sell. Former is OK; happens all the time in many aspects of commerce. I've done it myself. Latter isn't ever OK. What I read sounded like the seller was trying to sell off a piece of a deal in place, not a bidder hoping to win an auction with a partner.

[Ladder7]

Frank, Perhaps stealing your item description is a legit gripe. But c'mon It's petty to be upset that a buyer takes the scan of his purchase. I do it all the time and never thought the seller would get his BVDs all bunched up.

Incidentally, if anyone wants scans of my beaters, have at it.

To get back on track. Both guys are knuckleheads of varying degrees. Great hobby ehh?