Absolutely deplorable actions by a fellow forum member!

[ctownboy]

My two cents;

Sellers actions don't seem right. There HAD to be a better way of going about doing what he ultimately wanted to do; i.e., win an auction for two cards and sell the card he wasn't interested in.


As far as offering MORE for a card than a seller is asking, I can see it happening, ESPECIALLY if the seller says he wont have the card for two weeks. My take on that would be the seller was buying cards from someone else and might have a money squeeze going on OR the second seller is wavering about the sale price.

In either case the buyer, who is expecting the card in two weeks, could then think if he increases the amount he is willing to pay for the card he wants it will give the person he is buying the card from a little leverage in either getting the deal done or getting it done sooner.

What I wouldn't expect to be happening is that I was being used as a silent and unkown partner in an auction. If that were the case, I could just bid on the same two cards and, if I won them, sell the card I didn't want.

If I were being used like this, I would be upset too.

David

[whitehse]

Seems Chicago Gecko starts fights everywhere he goes and then throws around how much money he has to fight these fires he starts. (pun intended for the engineer from the Chicago Fire Department) This act gets old real fast and when I first saw him post here I just knew he was going to start fires here too!

[FUBAR]

Maybe i can make a suggestion... nothing can be sold or attempted to be sold on BST unless you own it outright, other then that, list it as an auction partnership.

I dont think Jamie was trying to scam anyone, I think we are all guilty of "assuming" people know what we mean when we say something. I think Jamie will be a little more careful next time as there are sharks lurking for every auction.

Chicago, i understand your point totally, but maybe before ranting and raving, use some discretion and try all means, including giving someone ample time to solve the issue without going overboard.

we all have too much drama in our lives with wives, kids, mortgages, etc

Cards should be drama free


Just my two cents worth, if it matters

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

Maybe i can make a suggestion... nothing can be sold or attempted to be sold on BST unless you own it outright, other then that, list it as an auction partnership.

+1

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

My two cents;

Sellers actions don't seem right. There HAD to be a better way of going about doing what he ultimately wanted to do; i.e., win an auction for two cards and sell the card he wasn't interested in.


As far as offering MORE for a card than a seller is asking, I can see it happening, ESPECIALLY if the seller says he wont have the card for two weeks. My take on that would be the seller was buying cards from someone else and might have a money squeeze going on OR the second seller is wavering about the sale price.

In either case the buyer, who is expecting the card in two weeks, could then think if he increases the amount he is willing to pay for the card he wants it will give the person he is buying the card from a little leverage in either getting the deal done or getting it done sooner.

What I wouldn't expect to be happening is that I was being used as a silent and unkown partner in an auction. If that were the case, I could just bid on the same two cards and, if I won them, sell the card I didn't want.

If I were being used like this, I would be upset too.

David

This is precisely what upset me...And Jamie was absolutely wrong in what he did. But rather than apologize, he is trying to defend these very lame actions.

[Chicago206]

Oh, and Jamie....I see you like to post snipets of our emails to try to defend what you did. Why dont you post....word for word....the actual emails in total we had? I can do it if you want. Lets show the forum that in over 12 emails to me, you never mention the card is part of an auction. You say in one email that "Im buying this card with another", but that could mean you have a deal in place with a dealer, another collector, or a buddy from college. The very LAST thing im thinking is "auction". You guaranteed me the card in 2 weeks if I was willing to commit $1300. How can you do that when the card is in an auction? You cannot guarantee you will be high bidder. At that point is when you should have told me that you "guarantee the card would be mine IF you were the high bidder". But you didnt.....instead, you continued your lies and deception. Now you come in here and accuse ME of being unreasonable? Take some responsibility for your own actions Jamie. You tried to deceive me.....not the other way around.

[Tcards-Please]

I can certainly understand why Chicago is upset. Nowhere in Jamie's write up does he list this as needing an "auction partner". If he had disclosed that information, this could have been handled a lot earlier. Leon asked if he could post a scan and he didn't respond to that. Dan asked if he owns the card, again no response. People were trying to asertain information because the "seller" wasn't being forthright in the ad. He was holding people to their word, when he wasn't with his. How long would he have continued to shop the card that he didn't own? What if the buyer was really interested in another card that he couldn't now afford because he had $1300.00 locked up on this only to have the "seller" of the UZIT card (which he didn't own) come back 2 days later to say oh, thank you for your interest, but someone else just offered me $1400.00.

I agree that you shouldn't be able to post anything for sale on the BST unless you have the card in hand. If you are looking for a partner, say so, don't be deceptive.

I have no dog in this fight, but as a frequent buyer on the BST, I certainly would be pi$$ed if this were me. But again, I would have been a little suspect if I didn't get the card for the original $1000.00 that the seller agreed to on the original post.

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Frank

[jp1216]

unreal - what a way to wake up on Easter morning...

10 pages later - now I'm awake...

My 2 cents - Jamie was looking for an auction buddy. He didn't want others to know and lose out on the card he wanted from the lot. Improper post in a B/S/T to begin with and very misleading. It read that first one to email Jamie and pay 1K would get the card.

Chicago requested scans and sensed Jamie was unsure who to sell the card to and upped the amount to 1.3K to seal the deal. Nothing really wrong with what Chicago did - unless he knew the card was already promised to someone else for 1K. I don't believe that is the case.

Chicago - email exchanges from you and Jamie were helpful - but they are also private in a sense. You posted yours and his email address for everyone to see. Please edit and remove them at the very least.

My opinion is that Jamie made a mistake, and Chicago gets too excited. Let's move on.

BTW - anyone looking for a partner is the upcoming HA auctions. I hear there are some Uzits....

[JP]

It's obvious from those emails, and the email he sent me, that Jamie was well aware of what key words to omit so as to not raise suspicion. He knew that listing for sale something he didn't own was not right. Hopefully he can't plead ignorance and get away with it.

Jamie also never had any intention of keeping his word to Phil. Check out the last line in his email to me. He obviously was looking for more than the $1300 he had already agreed to with Phil. "The high guy right now is at 1300. I will send picks if your still interested."

[Potomac Yank]

"Blunder's, Blunder"

[Rich Klein]

I was told "Blue Chip" did the exact same thing. They would run these big ads in BHN; then when they got orders; would go to shows and pay for the cards they had sold. Nice business; get $ in hand; sell cards for less than you sold them for.

And yes, I sold a lot of cards to "BC" that way; but it was an interesting concept.

Rich

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I was told "Blue Chip" did the exact same thing. They would run these big ads in BHN; then when they got orders; would go to shows and pay for the cards they had sold. Nice business; get $ in hand; sell cards for less than you sold them for.

And yes, I sold a lot of cards to "BC" that way; but it was an interesting concept.

Rich

Rich,

An interesting idea, absolutely, not a problem with doing that as long as you are on the up and up with your intentions. Don't advertise a card for $1000.00, then behind the scenes take offers. He was tying up peoples money for an uncertainty that was another 3 weeks away. Full disclosure on the BST should be a must.

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Frank

[barrysloate]

Not much I can add that hasn't already been said, other than to say this whole thing is deplorable. And I don't even want to take sides.

But a short piece of advice to Jamie: never, ever assume you are going to win something at auction before the auction ends. What if a serious T206 back collector was looking for a Uzit Jennings, or a Uzit Seymour, for the last ten years? And he saw this as his one and only chance to get one. You would have been dead in the water. Repeat: never, ever assume you know what an auction lot will go for, and furthermore, don't sell anything you don't own. Whatever your intentions, that is very bad business.

The rest of this argument is pretty much "he said, she said" kind of stuff so I will stay out of it. Thank you.