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04-02-2010, 04:27 PM
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AB Thinner Pack
From my collection, here's a thinner pack with a 1910 tax stamp, pictured next to a wider pack with a 1905 date. One simple theory is that the thinner American Beauty cards were designed with the possibility of being inserted into these thinner packs. Whether they ever were is debatable.
Ron R 
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04-02-2010, 04:33 PM
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Wow Ron,when comparing the width of the AB460 and the width of the thinner AB pack,you can see it would fit in the pack perfectly!!Thanks for posting this picture along with the ruler at the bottom.Now we see where the old theory actually holds some weight...........
Sincerely,Clayton
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04-02-2010, 05:05 PM
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New theory why American Beauty cards are narrower than other T206's
Here is the standard size 10-cigarette pack that all the T-brands during the 1909-1911 timefrane
of the T206 issue. This pack of mine was issued in the 1908-1910 timeframe. ![[linked image]](http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/abcigpackt206.jpg) TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 04-02-2010 at 05:08 PM.
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04-02-2010, 10:05 PM
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What we need is for Jon Canfield to look at those 2 packs that Ron has posted... seeing them, I'm thinking the 'thinner pack' rationale now seems more plausible. Because of the perceived difficulties in replating the press runs, and considering how it seems that frequently AB's are cut with one side with less margin than another, that the cards were printed with the same front plates as the other brands and then the cards were trimmed down. One thing is certain, American Beauty cards are not as wide as cards of the other brands. Anyone ever seen an AB back on a normal width card?
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04-02-2010, 10:15 PM
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The thing I'm a little confused on,is Ron's "wider" pack looks very much like TedZ's pack.Ron's is dated 1905,and TedZ said his is from the 1908-1910 timeframe.
Ron's "thinner" pack has a 1910 tax stamp on it. Am I getting this right?Please correct me if I'm not.Thanks. Sincerely,Clayton
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04-03-2010, 12:38 AM
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Frank,
I have seen the soft packs before. There are 8-count soft packs dating to 1910 (I'm not sure if the one pictured above is an 8 or 10 count). The majority of the soft packs that are out there came from a New Jersey find circa 2005. I believe the seller came across 8 or 10 of them. While I've had discussions about the soft pack theory with a few others in the past, I still don't completely agree that the AB's were cut thinner to fit in it. - Based on ATC records discovered by Terry a few years back, AB was listed as being packaged in 10-count packs, not 8 count packs (not sure if the pack pictured above is an 8 or 10 but most of the softs I've seen have been 8 counts) - The soft packs I have seen did not match the factory and district numbers for the AB cards. - Many AB cards would show OBVIOUS signs on wear because of the relative lack of protection that the soft pack affords. - I do have a 1910 AB slide and shell pack - exact same size as other slide and shell packs (including the 1905 ones). The factory and district codes DO match the cards. I'll post a picture of this pack later. - All other "categorized" T206s were packaged in hard packs, not soft packs. The only exception to this would be Coupon, if you believe Coupon is a T206. However, Coupons did not offer any other configuration other than soft pack (so there was no alternative). The cards were much more brittle and the Type 1s that exist display the wear that would be typical for cards coming from soft packs. In the end, I can neither prove nor disprove the soft pack theory. However, I do believe the reason for the thinner ABs does not have to do with packaging...
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For information on baseball-related cigarette and tobacco packs, visit www.baseballandtobacco.com. Instagram: @vintage_cigarette_packs Last edited by canjond; 04-03-2010 at 12:47 AM.
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04-03-2010, 12:40 AM
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1910 slide and shell...
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For information on baseball-related cigarette and tobacco packs, visit www.baseballandtobacco.com. Instagram: @vintage_cigarette_packs Last edited by canjond; 04-03-2010 at 12:46 AM.
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04-03-2010, 12:44 AM
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1908 ABs
 
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For information on baseball-related cigarette and tobacco packs, visit www.baseballandtobacco.com. Instagram: @vintage_cigarette_packs Last edited by canjond; 04-03-2010 at 12:46 AM.
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