T206 Red Cobb SGC 60/Altered? on eBay

[Peter_Spaeth]

Perhaps the focus should be not on the seller's motive for giving such a candid description, but on how the corner he describes could have become that way in the absence of an alteration. One suspects if it were a PSA card at issue there would be much more discussion of the merits.

[calvindog]

Well, considering that this thread exists I would say it's hard to complain that there is not a full discussion about this card.

It's pretty clear that the seller is off the rails a bit based on his listing and is trying to get SGC's attention because he wasn't satisfied with the response. To suggest that the seller is being "candid" here for altruistic reasons is just false. He's selling it for far more than it's worth as an SGC 60 and listing it as altered. He knows full well that the card will not get a bite at that price (or even half the price now). He bought the card for the very price he's selling it for -- clearly with the intention of trying to bump it to the higher grade. Why else would he buy the card for 30% more than it normally sells for in this grade?

I can't say that I fault the seller in the sense that if I was pissed at SGC or PSA with regard to their handling of such an issue I would probably do the same silly thing, i.e. cutting off my nose to spite my face type of thing. After all, the listing has gotten some attention.

And finally, Leon and Scott sold the card -- maybe one of them submitted it to SGC?

[Peter_Spaeth]

The only discussion of the merits so far is the one comment that it looked possibly trimmed. I don't have an opinion about that although it does look a tad short, but as I understand the seller's description of the corner, I can't fathom how it could be the result of natural wear. If someone more expert could comment that would be helpful.

[calvindog]

Peter, I hear you -- it's pretty damn clear on the scan. In fact, check out the B-L auction listing from which the ebay seller got the card: http://www.b-lauctions.com/site/bid/...etauctionid=78. Ray Charles could see the problem with the back corner in the scans they provided. Indeed, even the B-L listing notes the problem with the corner (which is provided in the ebay listing).

I'm not sure what the present owner was thinking -- perhaps he wasn't -- when he bought the card. And now he even claims that the card is short! Why on earth did he buy it then? He wants SGC to reimburse him for a card he noted was short prior to buying it? It's not like he bought the card from B-L and then cracked it out to check for trimming as he clearly admits in his listing.

Again, I'd like to hear from Leon or Scott about this. I'm curious if one of them submitted the card to SGC.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't think it's clear at all from the scan -- I think whether the apparent lift that can be seen on the scan is the result of natural wear or alteration is something that could only be seen on examination of the card and probably with a loupe. Read the seller's description of why he feels the corner has been altered -- you absolutely could not identify the points of attachment from the scan, or at least I couldn't.

[calvindog]

And what about the size of the card? The seller admitted that he hasn't cracked it out to check for trimming yet claims it's short. He couldn't see that either in the B-L scan? He did -- he just had dollar signs impeding his vision.

As for the corner, I've seen T206s with cracks in the paper which look like that. Three corners suggest the card is a 7 or 8 in grade; the one corner knocked it down to a 5.

As for fraud, the card with those three perfect corners would probably grade a 3-4 anyway. How much fraud was the original submitter looking to make here?

[Peter_Spaeth]

As I read it the seller did not ask SGC to buy it back because it was short but rather because of the corner.

"The card was presented to SGC for a buy back due to the corner lift alteration and after review SGC found the card to be graded accurately."

[lharri3600]

He had it listed a few days ago with a penny starting bid. Then he yanked it then put it up with the price he has now.:d

[lharri3600]

Alan,alan, ????????

[ichieh]

if you look the seller's other ebay listings, it seems to me that this person has a grudge against SGC and claimed many of his SGC cards are trimmed or altered.

http://shop.ebay.com/grays/m.html?_n...&_trksid=p4340

[teetwoohsix]

Wow.So SGC missed this many trimmed/altered cards,that are residing with just one person?

I don't know what to make of this..........

Clayton

[buymycards]

Greg, I noticed on your ebay listings that you submitted some of these broken out cards to PSA 6 times. Did you try to resubmit any of them in their raw state back to SGC? I wonder if they would have come back as trimmed?

Just curious,

Rick

[Robextend]

I wish I kept all my "PSA 6" trimmed cards in case I wanted to start a crusade against them.