Show us your fakes

[ullmandds]

Here are a few, actually all of the bogus cards I've purchased in my day...besides a fro-joy babe ruth sheet purchased 20 years ago in college. The cross was sold to me at a nat'l when I was a kid...having no knowledge of the set...the non-black back is a sure give-away. The others are blatant...poorly scanned ebay jobs...both less than $10 each...so I didn't bother to complain when I received them.

[Brian Van Horn]

This one I picked up from rawoysterman:

[terjung]

What does the back of that "Voskamp" look like?

[Kawika]

Look familiar?

[teetwoohsix]

Wow David-that actually is a scan of your card.So this rawoysterman steals scans of people's cards and creates his own reprint,and sells them on ebay?
What a shame.

[Kawika]

Clayton: He did the same with my T210 Stengel and my D304 Cobb. Not sure if he took the scans from the auction page before I owned them or from my ImageEvent site but am guessing the latter. (If it was from IE he would have to have gotten the link from Net54 which means he probably lurks here. Hi, Rawoysterman ). The guy states clearly on his eBay sales pages that he is selling reprints and I don't have any copyright on the images, so technically he is doing nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned but it still creeps me out a little bit all the same.

[yoyot1]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Clayton: He did the same with my T210 Stengel and my D304 Cobb. Not sure if he took the scans from the auction page before I owned them or from my ImageEvent site but am guessing the latter. (If it was from IE he would have to have gotten the link from Net54 which means he probably lurks here. Hi, Rawoysterman ). The guy states clearly on his eBay sales pages that he is selling reprints and I don't have any copyright on the images, so technically he is doing nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned but it still creeps me out a little bit all the same.

This is just my understanding, and I'm sure one of the copyright lawyers could provide more detailed analysis on this, but if you scan something that is in the public domain (like an old baseball card image...), you don't own the copyright to the image, but you do own the copyright to the new scan. You can deny permission to use that scan. (Alfred Bell & Co. v. Catalda Fine Arts, Inc., 191 F.2d 99 (2nd Cir. 1951))

I'd guess Ebay would be more quick to take down an auction for copyright violation than for misrepresenting reprints...

[wonkaticket]

Seems only fitting to show these with the upcoming REA lot.

Pat Chan a.k.a Scott Bond care to chime in and tell Howard why the below are fakes...Howard if you have any questions just email the T206museum and ask for Pat he made the below Old Mill cards to rip off collectors like yourself.



Another oldie but a goodie...

[FrankWakefield]

Old Mill overprints were a sad thing....


Once in a while I remember that I'm collecting Remar Bread cards, and then I'll look for some at an affordable price. Then I forget about them for a while...

Twice I've been sent fakes. They'd fluoresce when hit with ultra violet light so much that I almost needed sunglasses. The Tost card is one, the seller refunded my money and said not to bother mailing the card back. The second guy quickly gave me a full refund, but wanted the card back, he was sure it was real, notwithstanding my assurances that it wasn't. Photo quality is not as good, backs had black ink instead of blue. The Wakefield card is real, for comparison.

[danmckee]

They are all professionally graded John, so they must be original and not tampered with. I am truly appalled by your post.

We will settle this over a Vodker (East Baltimore lingo) at the national this August.

[wonkaticket]

"I made this during the time the REA fake was being uncovered. I choose to make mine look faded, worn and a little blurry to blend better and make it IMO somewhat more believable. Not as sharp and dark as the overprints made by Pat Chan."

Just what the world needed a more believable fake Old Mill OP card.

Great so now you have a stamp too LOL…does Pat Chan have an outlet store somewhere I’m unaware of?

Kevin why?

Not long ago you were caught bragging to Elkins about getting doctored cards past folks and into board members (Jeff Lichtman & others) collections. A lot of folks chalked that up to hollow boasting nothing more and that’s cool I guess. But I still just don’t get the purpose of you posts sometimes.

In regards to these cards we proved these were fake we even shared with everyone how to tell and educated the collecting public and the authorities. We even let folks know to be very cautious when dealing with pat Chan or anyone from the T206musuem.

So why make another one? And as for making this during the time REA was being uncovered by us...right sure you did.

Also do you destroy all these creations or do they stay with you? Curious as to what measures have you taken that these won’t get out into the collecting world many years from now?

Cheers,

John

[cfc1909]

Kevin

Don't understand your thinking...