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Old 03-25-2010, 03:24 PM
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Default T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....show/tell of your's ?

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Hey guys....we now have 74 cards confirmed with AB 460 backs; and, we are still looking for these 6 cards
with AB 460 backs. However, as I see it (and explain it) 5 of them were not printed with an AB 460 back.


Dougherty (arm in air).......possible Broad Leaf 460, therefore an AB 460 No Print
Elberfeld (Wash-fielding).... ?
John Frill.........................reassigned to Jersey City (Jul 1910), therefore most likely an AB 460 No Print
McIntyre (Brkln & Chi).......exists with Broad Leaf 460, therefore an AB 460 No Print
Murphy (bat)...................possible Broad Leaf 460, therefore an AB 460 No Print
Reulbach (no glove)..........possible Broad Leaf 460, therefore an AB 460 No Print

Any help confirming any of these 6 cards with AB 460 backs is greatly appreciated. Let's see if you can prove
me wrong ?


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TED Z
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:14 PM
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Default T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....show/tell of your's ?

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Net54 reader's have emailed me with confirmed inputs of Dougherty (arm in air), Elberfeld (Wash-fielding), McIntyre (Brooklyn &
Chicago), Murphy (bat), and Reulbach (no glove) with BROAD LEAF 460 backs. Therefore, applying my "mutually exclusive" rules
for cards in the 350/460 series (as these 5 are), I do not expect to find any of these 5 cards with AB 460 backs.

As for John Frill, since he was reassigned from the Highlanders to Jersey City (July 1910), I imagine that his card is most likely an
AB 460 No Print. As, the AB 460 cards were printed in the Spring of 1911.

We've confirmed that there are 74 cards printed with AB 460 backs; and, I feel 99% confident that this is a complete run. As a
consequence of this survey we now know that there are certain correlations between 4 of the rare T206 backs. It is apparent
to me that the AB 460 and UZIT cards were printed concurrently (circa 1911), as the fronts of these two backs exactly coincide.

Furthermore, the BROAD LEAF 460 cards are from the 350/460 series and they share the exact fronts with the Red HINDU cards.

Finally, it has become obvious that cards in the 350/460 series with AB 460 and UZIT backs are mutually exclusive with the cards
with BL 460 and Red HINDU backs.

Understanding these front/back combo patterns are very meaningful to avid collectors of T206 sub-sets, player and/or team col-
lectors, etc., as they remove the guesswork in search of certain T206's. Also, in this era of re-backed T206's, one can instantly
determine if a front/back combo is legitimate by having this specific knowledge.

This has been a great 5-month ride. I want to thank all of you, who have contributed to this on-going survey these past 5 months.

TED Z
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:22 PM
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Ted great work. Really enjoyed this thread.
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:43 PM
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Thanks guy....we have the "MONSTER" by its horns....

Best regards,

TED Z
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:31 PM
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ted,
although the monster is your elder by a bit more than a quarter of a century,
you have shown him well that 'youth' has the muscle to hold him by the
horns!!!
congrats, ole friend.
best,
barry

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Old 03-27-2010, 07:35 AM
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Ted,

Your AB460-Uzit conformance rule, BL460-Red Hindu conformance rule and AB460-Uzit / BL460-Red Hindu mutual exclusivity rule each represent a significant breakthrough.

Reminds me of Einstein's three 1905 papers on the photoelectric effect, special relativity and Brownian motion.

Okay maybe not quite, but really great work, my friend!

Scot
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Old 03-27-2010, 09:56 AM
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Default T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....MISSION COMPLETE

My, oh my....Scot

You are joshin' about my "relativity to Einsteinian" theories ?

However, if you akined me to Thomas Edison (my hero), I would be accepting of that as quite a high honor.
How many people know that Edison inadvertently was the first man to measure electronic current, while he
toiled with his light bulb invention ?

Where would this world of electronics be.....if Edison's experimentation back in 1880 with "electron motion"
emitted from metallic conductors within a glass enclosed vacuum.....had not occurred ? ?

Anyhow, my friend, I really appreciate your very kind words. Your "Inside T206" book has been very influen-
cial in my better understanding of this set....that many of us affectionally refer to as "The Monster".

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TED Z
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