Hassan Sign on eBay - Cobb/Mathewson

[drc]

When I say there's 99% chance something is fake, some people will think "So he's saying there is a chance it's real."

I would say there's 99% chance it's a fake. That's the best I will do without seeing it in person. Read into the remaining 1% as you wish.

[CarltonHendricks]

The key to fully comprehending this piece is examining it in person, which we can't. Based on the aspects we've hashed over here it's most likely a reproduction. I would say the most incriminating evidence would be the sellers treatment. The fact it's die cut precludes it from being a Kinko's color copy anyone could make with little effort...and puts it in an advanced reproduction category. The question then becomes, was it intended to deceive or was it intended just as a neat novelty. Is the faded appearance from poor photography or was it fatigued to deceive? Who made it, where was it made? how many were made? The science of how this came to be is interesting and it's good for us to examine if for nothing else just to be familiar with reproductions. Initially when I first posted the thread, I didn't know what useful info I'd garner...ideally it would have been nice if someone would have said..."oh yeah I had those made years ago just for fun". Then we could have gotten to the bottom of the who what where. But we have what we have from our community, and I'd say Net54 is probably the best place on the planet to discuss it based on the collective experience here.

[perezfan]

I just confirmed that Helmar Brewing had these Signs made up to go along with the Cap Anson Padlocks. 40 of these were manufactured last summer.

JK... sure would have made for some nice closure, though!

[ctownboy]

Carlton,

Go to eBay and look at seller ACOFIND.

This person is from Muncie, Indiana and is KNOWN for selling fake items. PLENTY of fake items. One Net54 member got burned from buying a fake Bond Bread poster and I have seen this guy sell numerous other fake items over the years.

He has sold stuff under the name theolestuff and fourducks. Some of that stuff includes; Mickey Mantle Topps Giant cards, Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron Jello cards, Harley Davidson, Indian Motorcycle and Winchester advertising signs, Shirley Temple blue glass creamers, brown Mason jars and Dazey butter churns.

Most of this crap is not easy to reproduce (like a T206 is with a laser printer) so he HAS to be getting is somewhere (or making it himself).

I have reported him to eBay for YEARs and they do NOTHING about it even though they can go to Toolhaus.org and enter these names and SEE that buyers have complained about him selling fake items.

So, just because this piece might look real, would be hard to reproduce and the seller leaves some questions about it, that does NOT mean it IS real and that other people are passing it up because it is in the wrong category or it is too expensive for them.

Heck, I have very little money to spend on cards right now BUT if this thing were real and I could get it for $1,000 dollars and then turn around and sell it in a major auction house for much more then that, I would. I am SURE other people would too.

Scam artists are hoping (and preying) on people who have that 1% question in the back of their minds about "if" things just "might" be real.

David

[photo111]

I have one of these signs. I do not know if it is real or not. I live near White Plains, NY if anyone would like to look at it. Always been curious about it.

Michael

[MGHPro]

Originally Posted by photo111

I have one of these signs. I do not know if it is real or not. I live near White Plains, NY if anyone would like to look at it. Always been curious about it.

Michael

Michael.
Im in Central NJ and would be glad to help you. Please contact me at Bub13@aol.com
Matt

[patrick7776]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I just confirmed that Helmar Brewing had these Signs made up to go along with the Cap Anson Padlocks. 40 of these were manufactured last summer.

JK... sure would have made for some nice closure, though!

I have a sign like the one that was offered in the ebay auction, i bought mine on ebay a couple months ago and i thought i would be able to flip it, i did not know the controversy that surrounded this piece.

I have examined this sign carefully and it is old, it looks old and smells old, and it is not a repo from the newspaper ad, because it is not the same as the newspaper ad, as my hi res scans will prove.

I also contacted Helmar Brewing a couple months ago, and this is their statement regarding this piece (this is a direct copy of the original, we dont do copies.)



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the photos are bigger then they pop up on image shack, so it the thumbnail and when the pic pops up, right click mouse and hit view image, and the hit the magnifying icon.

[canjond]

Patrick - hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it does not look real to me. I have to admit that it is better than most fakes you see, which are unquestionably hand cut, and yours does appear to have a better cut to it. But, the colors are way too washed out to be authentic. In addition, the pack just looks faked aged to me. I would say 99% chance it's a copy. The best persn you could speak to would be Rob Lifson at Robert Edward Auctions. Shoot him an email with your scans. He's handled the real sign... if anyone can tell you whether it's good or not, he can. If it is good, you're looking at $100k or so.

[patrick7776]

Originally Posted by canjond

Patrick - hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it does not look real to me. I have to admit that it is better than most fakes you see, which are unquestionably hand cut, and yours does appear to have a better cut to it. But, the colors are way too washed out to be authentic. In addition, the pack just looks faked aged to me. I would say 99% chance it's a copy. The best persn you could speak to would be Rob Lifson at Robert Edward Auctions. Shoot him an email with your scans. He's handled the real sign... if anyone can tell you whether it's good or not, he can. If it is good, you're looking at $100k or so.

If you read the article on Robert Edward Auctions site, they say that their piece was touched up, come on, they have ty Cobb looking like some sort of Jezebel.
i stand by this piece and would have any expert look at it.
The person you suggest to look at it, i would not let expertize it.

[Matthew H]

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