Question for the E90-1 Experts

[FrankWakefield]

Right.

[Steve D]

Thanks for the clarification on Wagner guys! I guess I might not be so crazy after all.

Here are scans of all my HOFer cards:











Seven more to go.....

Steve

[edhans]

Ted,
While I substantially agree with your lists of e90-1s toughest subjects, we simply can't think of the distribution as "series 1, 2, and 3". It's vastly more complicated than that. A simple comparison of the toughest card on your list (pick any one from the first list) and the easiest (Hall?, B. Brown?) must lead to the conclusion that they were not part of the "last series". There's simply too much disparity in the difficulty of Mitchell or Shean vs Brown or Hall to think they were printed on the same sheet in the same quantities. I see E90-1 as at least six distinct printings, with subjects added, deleted and changed as the process went along. One could even make the argument that there was a regional distribution, as most (not all) of the Philadelphia and St. Louis subjects are rather common and most of those from Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Boston tend to be much scarcer. There seems to be a relationship between American Caramel's other issues (E91, E90-2 and E90-3) and, as you have previously observed, tobacco issues like T204 and T206. I have even wondered if E90-1s distribution might follow a similar pattern to E95/96. It's a most fascinating set that certainly merits further study.

[JamesGallo]

As I have collected about half the set over the last few years I think one thing that is very obvious is that finding just about any card in VG or better is very hard. There are some of the common commons that can be found often in VG but a even slightly tougher card you just don't see them. This set seems to have cooled off a bit over the last year or so and Cobbs are cheap as hell right now which I don't get.

I owned a low grade Wagner throwing that I bought on ebay and shortly after resold. I have not seen one since. I have a few of the lesser tougher cards like the Brown and Hall which I do think show up more then some of the other tough cards like Upp and Mitchell. I do not think the Jackson is a rare card at all, just one with high demand. I do see more Mitchell's around which is likely because they tend to be pulled out of sets and sold as single cards. I think the Speaker is very tough and really considered the one that was just on the BST.

This is a very tough set and you will have to spend some big bucks on common cards, even more so then the HOF, but I still hope to finish it after my run on the Boston Store set is done.

James G

[ScottFandango]

some great points...


as Ed points out, there are MANY series in this set...

i think the Shaded back versions were all from a single Series (none of the shaded back versions are of common cards)


...ps this set is very enjoyable to collect

[ScottFandango]

may i suggest a E90-1
conference in Buffalo sometime....

i feel we are getting closer to having a better understanding of this set and by sitting in the same room/pub we may be able to figure some more concrete things out!

[FrankWakefield]

You guys were talking about this guy, was pretty sure I could dig down to him...




And I think Barry's artwork idea has merit. What might be good is to carefully compare what we consider to be identical cards, to see if there was a change at the end, a dozen cards were added, a dozen deleted, some remained on the 25 card sheet.

[tedzan]

Earlier in this thread (post #14), I alluded to the artistry in this set providing us tell-tale clues as to which series
these cards were printed in.

" I find it interesting that the sunset & mountainous scenes of the Speaker and Wagner are very similar. Implying
that the same artist designed both these cards; and therefore, they were printed on the same sheet. "

If this is true then this Wagner and Speaker were printed in the last series, issued in the Summer of 1910.






Furthermore, it does not make any sense to me that these cards were printed on 25-card sheets. It is obvious to
me that they were printed on 30-card sheets, since there are 120 cards in the E90 set.
Many of the Caramel sets were printed in Philadelphia, and we have seen a 30-card uncut sheet of the E93 cards.

Regards ole friend,

TED