Could be getting scammed ??

[AndyG09]

How could the post office charge $2.53 for an empty mailer? And then to make accusations and threats that the seller sent nothing? Then shun the sellers attempts to show proof and continually send more threats. Too many shady things going on here.

[JP]

I've done lots of business with bbsports in the past....I trust him implicitly. I think that someone from the Post Office stole the cards and delivered the empty envelope. I doubt either buyer or seller are at fault here!

[jb217676]

I don't know how the U.S. Postal system works, so I'll show how damaged deliveries are dealt with in the Canadian system. I once received a bubble mailer that was ripped wide open, missing one PSA slabbed card, the other shattered. What Canada Post does is still deliver the package to it's destination, but they put the bubble mailer in a clear bag, taped shut, stating it was damaged in transit. They would never deliver a heavily damaged envelope by itself. By showing the seller the Canadian Post forms that came with my damaged delivery, it showed neither party was at fault and we agreed to split the cost. Do they bag damaged deliveries like this in the States?

[oriolesbb6]

Originally Posted by jb217676

I don't know how the U.S. Postal system works, so I'll show how damaged deliveries are dealt with in the Canadian system. I once received a bubble mailer that was ripped wide open, missing one PSA slabbed card, the other shattered. What Canada Post does is still deliver the package to it's destination, but they put the bubble mailer in a clear bag, taped shut, stating it was damaged in transit. They would never deliver a heavily damaged envelope by itself. By showing the seller the Canadian Post forms that came with my damaged delivery, it showed neither party was at fault and we agreed to split the cost. Do they bag damaged deliveries like this in the States?

That's how my post office delivers any item that is damaged or partially opened, etc.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jb217676

I don't know how the U.S. Postal system works, so I'll show how damaged deliveries are dealt with in the Canadian system. I once received a bubble mailer that was ripped wide open, missing one PSA slabbed card, the other shattered. What Canada Post does is still deliver the package to it's destination, but they put the bubble mailer in a clear bag, taped shut, stating it was damaged in transit. They would never deliver a heavily damaged envelope by itself. By showing the seller the Canadian Post forms that came with my damaged delivery, it showed neither party was at fault and we agreed to split the cost. Do they bag damaged deliveries like this in the States?

Jeff,

I have only received one package damaged in transit and it was bagged and labeled exaclty as you described.

BTW, your cards will be shipped out tomorrow. They are all boxed up and heavily taped :-)

David

[bigfish]

Thanks for bringing this to light. People might want to use insurance and choose who they sell stuff to on the BST. Sorry it happened to both of you. Threats seem like a strong response over 200.00 worth of cards........

[jb217676]

So why was this envelope delivered in this condition? It should have been bagged and tagged. Something doesn't seem right. Larry, we need your expertise!

(Thanks Dave, can't wait to get the football cards!)

[mintacular]

#1. Even though the recepient could've felt an empty mailer and should've returned it to the PO, it is natural to open up a sealed package (even if ripped--maybe the seller reused an old mailer)...Maybe he thought there was a note inside saying "Sorry, here's a refund, card was sold to someone else, or some other personal note..."

#2. I do find it odd that the seller thought postage is higher, but then again maybe it's a newbie?? I don't think they would post here to defend themself if they were just out to scam people...

#3. While it is possible the package was tampered with, there are very strict laws and punishments against postal employees who steal so keep in mind that postal crimes are not all that common...

[Leon]

Well, I can offer a few thoughts from a board perspective.

1. It is ok, and preferred, to out someone that has scammed on the board. That being said you better be real sure of what you are saying. You are legally liable for anything you say on this board. (I am not liable for what anyone else says but am liable for what I say )

2. It is not ok to post addresses or phone numbers or other confidential contact information, except with the approval of the other party OR if it is an extremely obvious scam. Then I/we would love to see as much info posted as possible. That is extreme and rarely happens. I think it happened most recently in the Edwin Arroyo case. He is a well know thief and his info is not protected at all. I can say he is a well known thief as I have emails from him admitting to it. I think he, and his cohorts, days are numbered too . I have nixed out the exact addresses on the envelope above and part of the confirmation numbers. They did match.

3. On the subject at hand I can't really tell who is right and who is wrong at the moment. I am sure it will be clear soon. This board is like a snapping turtle when it bites something.

4. It is worth mentioning that there is a "caveat emptor" premise on this board. Besides normal legal channels the only thing I, or any moderator could do (if warranted), is ban someone from the board.