Drum back on Ebay!

[Anthony S.]

Every other graded card that seller has listed (including his completed auctions) is in either an SGC or a PSA holder. Buy the card because you want a T206 DRUM back, not because you hope it will cross over to anything higher than an "A."

[Matt]

Looking at the card, I don't see anything that leads me to believe it won't grade numerically. Old GAI cases aren't like CSA where it's almost assured that the card is trimmed - at the time, GAI certainly got it right more often then not (though, 'not' happened quite a bit).

Why the seller didn't cross it could be simply because he doesn't like the principal of shelling out more cash for an already graded card. Not a good business decision, but certainly understandable.

[ullmandds]

yes...that bottom definitely looks tampered with...A is the correct grade, IMO.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

yes...that bottom definitely looks tampered with...A is the correct grade, IMO.

Peter - I think what you're seeing is the black gasket of the case - it makes it seems that the bottom of the card is wavy.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

Every other graded card that seller has listed (including his completed auctions) is in either an SGC or a PSA holder. Buy the card because you want a T206 DRUM back, not because you hope it will cross over to anything higher than an "A."

I agree but at the sametime, on a card like this no reason to overpay a couple grand if it is indeed not a 1 or 2 right ?

[E93]

I don't think the card is tampered with. I think it is the black insert and angle of the scan that makes the bottom edge look weird. Look at the same edge with the scan of the back of the card and it is more clear, imho.

It certainly was not trimmed to improve corners. Maybe it was hacked to fit into a plastic sheet back in the day, but this one does not look that way to me. I have seen a lot of scans with holders from all three grading companies that make side look suspicious when they clearly are not viewed in person.
JimB

[Chicago206]

I didnt mean to stir up a debate on "outing" an auction. That was NOT my intent. As a very new collector to this series, I just wanted some honest opinions of the card, AND why you think its in a GAI slab rather than a top tier slab. I am high bidder on the card, and plan to be very aggressive on it....so if anything, im just "hurting" myself by drawing attention to it. However, I'd rather have some spirited competition if that means getting expert opinions on it before I go bananas on the bidding. I'd much rather overpay $500-$700 on a legit card because of a few extra bidders than to save that money, and pay for a substandard card just because I didnt want to "out" it in a web forum. Make any sense?

[Matt]

It makes a lot of sense - it's exactly what I wrote in the second sentence of my initial response. In your scenario, you felt the information to be gained outweighed the potential additional cost.

[teetwoohsix]

Good luck on the card Chicago206!!Just wanted to say,I've only sent in three T206's graded by GAI for crossover to SGC,one came back same grade,the other 2 came back a grade higher,to my suprise.I may be in the minority,I don't know...........

[T206DK]

While I might be a bit mad that others find that item, I still look at it like there was a chance that someone would find it anyway whether it was talked about here or not. I realize outing something here would lower my chances of winning the items due to the amount of collectors with similar tastes on here and people just trying to find a good deal. I usually only "out" suspected sheisters I see on Ebay....I think that's good for all of us. I like reading about other auctions people find too. I personally don't buy on Ebay much anymore, but I look a lot just to see what's out there.

[Rob D.]

What's interesting about the auction-outing issue is that the folks who always seem to be first in line to applaud and defend the practice never seem to out any auction themselves. It's probably just a simple matter of them never coming across a ballcard that's listed in the wrong category or an uneducated seller who has poorly described an item.

[tedzan]

What's the difference of Chicago206 "outing" this card....vs....Leon "outing" an ebay lot when he runs his
occasional CONTEST ?

I'll save you your rationalizations......there is NO DIFFERENCE !


Hey Leon, you are overdue to run a Contest....how's about running a Contest on this DRUM card ?


Some Net54er will win a nice St Patrick's Day gift

T-Rex TED

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by tedzan

What's the difference of Chicago206 "outing" this card....vs....Leon "outing" an ebay lot when he runs his
occasional CONTEST ?

I'll save you your rationalizations......there is NO DIFFERENCE !

I agree. Regardless of how the discussion gets started, it is a bummer finding something you really like on ebay only to find a massive discussion about the card taking place on Net54. This almost never has happened to me, but I can appreciate the feeling and try to respect that before initiating a post on here about in-progress auctions of any kind.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I agree. Regardless of how the discussion gets started, it is a bummer finding something you really like on ebay only to find a massive discussion about the card taking place on Net54. This almost never has happened to me, but I can appreciate the feeling and try to respect that before initiating a post on here about in-progress auctions of any kind.

Then how does a newer collector get opinions on a high dollar card before pulling the trigger? I'd hate to overpay on that card, THEN ask for opinions on it only to find out I was had. If it was in a PSA/SGC slab, I wouldnt even have started this thread. But I wanted to know member's opinions about the card since its in a lesser slab before I make a potentially expensive mistake!

[ullmandds]

oops...looks like you guys are correct...it's the insert i saw. wish i never sold my drum to buy a leather recliner my cat ultimately chewed up!!!