Printing Errors.. Why aren't they all valuable?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

All you have to do is post it on the board about every six months, in about 2 years there might be 3 or 4 collectors that decide they want it. You than give it do a auction house to over hype the card for what it is and the next thing you know the card is worth thousands of dollars.

It's also a game of musical chairs -- the elasticity of demand on these things is very high, meaning you had better hope the demand is still there when you ultimately decide to sell your Lundgren, partial letter missing variation.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

It's also a game of musical chairs -- the elasticity of demand on these things is very high, meaning you had better hope the demand is still there when you ultimately decide to sell your Lundgren, partial letter missing variation.

However, if you really like something and get enjoyment from it, then the value becomes a little bit less important. Please note my exact words . In other words, I know I paid a ton for the printers scrap above....if I go to sell it and get a fair amount less then it's ok as I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of it.

[Bigb13]

I have to did out my Lundgren because I think it is like yours. Rob

[Blunder19]

now we have 2 then Rob ... looks like we've cornered the market..

Hear this everyone... only 2 Lundgren errors... special price of only$4,995 and you can own one of these priceless rarities

[T206.org]

Jamie, if another one shows up then I am all for calling it a legit printing variation and I think it deserves a premium, personally.

Rob, let's see a scan!

I am still waiting for another Wiltse Portrait No Cap Half-Y to show up.
http://www.t206.org/misc/wiltsenocap_2.jpg

[cfc1909]

the 206 set is littered with these-it is just now that investors are noticing-most collectors have known about these, because they actually look at their cards...

Personally I would never pay for a missing letter, I would rather have a nice common or HOF card with a tough ad on the reverse.

[barrysloate]

I'm with Jim and others on this one. I'm shocked at what collectors are willing to pay for what is no more than a very minor printing glitch, caused by a tiny foreign object getting lodged on the plate. It could be no more than a piece of dust that got in the way of the ink. But I suppose it is the market, not my opinion, that determines the price.

[lharri3600]

now there are 3!!

Originally Posted by Blunder19

now we have 2 then Rob ... looks like we've cornered the market..

Hear this everyone... only 2 Lundgren errors... special price of only$4,995 and you can own one of these priceless rarities

[Rob D.]

If Leon's card had been consigned to most major auction houses, there wouldn't have been enough pages in the catalog to contain all of the sugary prose. A hyperglycemia epidemic would have hit the collecting world.

[ethicsprof]

yes, rob,
but it would be a wonderful cotton candy one rather that severe
hyperosmolar ketoacidosis.

best,
barry

[cfc1909]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

now we have 2 then Rob ... looks like we've cornered the market..

Hear this everyone... only 2 Lundgren errors... special price of only$4,995 and you can own one of these priceless rarities

I'll sell you 2 for half of that...

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

However, if you really like something and get enjoyment from it, then the value becomes a little bit less important. Please note my exact words . In other words, I know I paid a ton for the printers scrap above....if I go to sell it and get a fair amount less then it's ok as I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of it.

Slow down, Leon. Huge difference between your monster-Young-ghost printers-scrappy-color-form-Southern-Leaguery-thingamawhosee and a spec of dust that makes R look like P. I wouldn't fret about losing your return on that investment any time soon.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Slow down, Leon. Huge difference between your monster-Young-ghost printers-scrappy-color-form-Southern-Leaguery-thingamawhosee and a spec of dust that makes R look like P. I wouldn't fret about losing your return on that investment any time soon.

Paul- may I use your definition in the future? I think it's probably the best I have seen yet . Ya never really know with cards like this, what they will fetch when you go to sell them, but I am sure there would be some interest. I am not sure to what level/value though. I contacted a few focused 206 collectors before I went wild and won it, and asked what they thought the least value was......then I went way above that and won it (as everyone remembers, on ebay). I love my little 206 collection though it makes no rhyme nor reason.

[barrysloate]

Regardless of what Leon's printer's scrap may be worth in the future, it is unquestionably a dramatic, visually dazzling card. Not only does it have multiple overlaying advertising backs, but also boasts a Cy Young portrait thrown into the mix! Can it get better than that?

And how can anyone compare that to the Murray variation where you almost need a loupe to see it. They aren't even in the same ballpark.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Paul- may I use your definition in the future? I think it's probably the best I have seen yet.

Absolutely. That card is art and a disaster and no T206 printer's variation could ever come close. In fact, people who collect T206 printer's variations should take one look at your card and go back to collecting regular stuff out of shame.

Variation Collector #1: "Look, someone left the red ink off my Tubby Spencer!"

Leon: "Oh, yeah, someone put everything cool about T206 cards onto my card. If you squint, you can even see the Virgin Mary in Cy Young's silhouette on the back of this Southern Leaguer."

Variation Collector #1: "Damn, my card sucks. I quit."

[T206Collector]

For back collectors we have El Principe De Gales, Piedmont and Brown Old Mill...
For HOF collectors we have Cy Young....
For SL collectors we have Mullaney...
For portrait collectors we have Young portrait...
For action poses we have Mullaney...
For printer's variation collectors we have a reverse Ghost Image...
For multi-back collectors we have 4 different Piedmonts on the back....

It is the complete T206 card.

[teetwoohsix]

Leon,I doubt you ever have to worry about getting your money back on that card-it is for sure a one of a kind-what T206 collector wouldn't want that card????

I love that card-makes me drool,,,,,,,,

[Blunder19]

So I have had 4 people message/email me and let me know they too have a "Ludgren, no N version"

Seems like this was a variation waiting for discovery....

now all we have to do is wait for the collectors to recognize it

You may have a Sweeny no B, Noodgrass, Murr'y, Dopner, ... but no variation set is complete without the "Ludgren"

[JP]

Mine has half of an "N". I think other than Magie and Doyle, any other text printing variations are worth ignoring.

[cfc1909]

Just checked through some notes on the set that are from the mid 90s-identified are around 200 different examples that have a slight change from the original card. Be it a partial S or E or a ' or a , or a ; instead of a , or 2 ll instead of a u or a large , instead of a small , or no O or CREF instead of CREE and the list goes on and on. The Wiltse & Lundgren examples are also identified. Also there are some background changes not just captions...

I would think the scene/background differences are more interesting than the caption or letter changes.

Try this-buy 10 to 20 examples of the same card. Lay them out next to each other and see a variation come to life. Also look at Nat'l from every card.

The reason some are valuable and others are not is because the valuable ones were noticed and checklisted by collectors 50 plus years ago. If this Lundgren was noted and checklisted it probably would bring the same coin as Murray, Sharp and Snodgrass. They are really only valuable because collectors are willing to pay for them.

Just last year we noticed the different color green on the Sovereign 350/460 cards. These are not any more valuable than the other Sovereigns but definately a different color. This set is endless-the longer you collect it th emore you will notice.

[jimonym]

I think Jim's right. There are hundreds of different nuanced variations. I think for most folks whether the card has some punch (in terms of unusualness and visual impact) is what affects monetary value. Leon's card clearly has that. For some people, part of a missing E does. For others it doesn't. Here are two of my favorites (not appearing anytime soon on BST). I think they have some punch. Others may disagree. It's no big deal; I collect what I like.

One of the consequences of the way most T206s were printed (vertical columns of the same card) is that there are lots of the "same" variation out there. By lots I mean a handful, at least. It's amazing how many cards seem like they could be one-offs, and several more are lurking out there somewhere.

[Jantz]

I have to agree with Jim R on this one. The more time spent looking or collecting, even more variances will appear & probably more Ludgrens too.


What are the backs on all of these "Ludgrens"?


Jantz