Scans Needed for OldCardboard's Baseball HOF Rookie Card Database

[ValKehl]

1921-30 ML Die-Cut of Joe Cronin.

[oldjudge]

Lyman--I'm a bit confused. i thought a "rookie" card had to be a major league card. Clark Griffith's Old Judge card pictures him on Milwaukee of the Western Association, a minor league. Honus Wagner's card should, I believe, be the Sporting News insert, not the Nat'l Copper Plate, which I believe was issued after the Sporting News. Also, Kid Nichols is only pictured in the Old Judge set as a member of the minor league Omaha Omahogs.

Phil--Why are you asking for non-rookie images? (Beckley, Duffy, McCarthy, Rusie, Thompson)

[lhardem]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Lyman--I'm a bit confused. i thought a "rookie" card had to be a major league card. Clark Griffith's Old Judge card pictures him on Milwaukee of the Western Association, a minor league. Honus Wagner's card should, I believe, be the Sporting News insert, not the Nat'l Copper Plate, which I believe was issued after the Sporting News. Also, Kid Nichols is only pictured in the Old Judge set as a member of the minor league Omaha Omahogs.

Phil--Why are you asking for non-rookie images? (Beckley, Duffy, McCarthy, Rusie, Thompson)

Jay, I agree with Phil's reply. It's often a matter of a collector's personal preferance how he (or she) structures a set and defines "what is a rookie card" (or even "what is a card," for that matter). As we have long discussed on this Forum, there is no universal definition.

So our approach, generally, was to select the earliest five cards to represent each HOFer and let each collector decide whether to include pre-rookie cards, supplements, postcards, exhibits, stamps, etc. that others may not want to consider for their collections. Also, at least for many HOFers, there are multiple "rookie cards" (by your definition) so we wanted to show all "options." In other words, "we report; you decide."

With possibly one or two exceptions, we have ordered the earliest five cards for each HOFer in chronological order.

Hope this helps. We are always open to suggestions and feedback from all collectors and we sincerely appreciate the tremendous support that we have received for this and other projects.

Lyman

[orator1]

"So our approach, generally, was to select the earliest five cards to represent each HOFer and let each collector decide...With possibly one or two exceptions, we have ordered the earliest five cards for each HOFer in chronological order...We are always open to suggestions and feedback from all collectors."

Lyman, Phil,
I would appreciate if you could clarify some card dates.
Your rookie card site for O'Rourke has the following two dates:

1886 Joseph Hall Cabinet
1886 Kalamazoo Bats

The SCBC has the Joseph Hall Cabinets issued in 1888...which date is correct?
Also, your website list of N-cards has Kalamazoo Bats issued in 1887, which is also the date in the SCBC book. Were K-Bats cards also issued in 1886 or is 1887 the correct date?

If the Joseph Hall Cabinets were issued in 1888, then maybe the 5th earliest card could be the 1887 N172 Old Judge or the 1887 N284 Buchner?
If you would like scans of either card just let me know.

Paul C.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Paul C.:

Upon further research, the Joseph Hall Cabinet that you mentioned can be definitively attributed to an issue date of 1888-89 so therefore we are adjusting our database accordingly. Although the most commonly catalogued date of issue for the individual player - Kalamazoo Bats cards is 1887, based on extensive research of in-season traders/team changes that took place during the 1886 season, it appears that the 1886 date is in fact the accurate one, assuming that this set was not produced over two or more seasons (highly unlikely).

[brianp-beme]

It is not pretty, but here is my W503 of Pennock.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks for posting the scan of Pennock. Lyman and I really appreciate your contribution.

-Phil