Scans Needed for OldCardboard's Baseball HOF Rookie Card Database

[ValKehl]

1917-20 Felix Mendelsohn - Sam Rice
and
1948-50 Safe-T Card - Early Wynn

Phil & Lyman, thanks for accomplishing this great project!
Val

[brianp-beme]

Checking through the list I spotted an E122 of Bucky Harris...unless I am mistaken, I don't believe this card exists.

I do have a W503 of Pennock that I can scan in the next few days.

Brian

[Jacklitsch]

M114 Lyons. 1925?

[rhettyeakley]

Brian, I too believe the Bucky Harris card in the E122 checklist is a mistake. The SCD has him listed as Sam Harris, which he is listed as in the E220 set. They both have the "box" thing at the bottom of the card (but are completely different types of "boxes") so I am thinking the E220 mistakenly got listed as a E122 card as well. Also, I have serious doubts about the Perry Lipe card also listed in the E122 checklist.

These cards (E122) were simply E121 cards with a frame added around them and rephotographed--in a way similar to the way Jay et al describe the Old Judge (N172) cards production. Thus I have a hard time believing they created new cards for Perry Lipe and Bucky Harris that weren't produced in the E121 Series of 80 (like evry other card in the set).
-Rhett

[bcbgcbrcb]

Brian:

Thank you for your reply. The Bucky Harris is listed in the 2010 Standard Catalogue but under the name Sam Harris. If you can provide a scan of the Pennock that would be great and much appreciated.

Thanks

[ValKehl]

1921-30 ML Die-Cut of Joe Cronin.

[oldjudge]

Lyman--I'm a bit confused. i thought a "rookie" card had to be a major league card. Clark Griffith's Old Judge card pictures him on Milwaukee of the Western Association, a minor league. Honus Wagner's card should, I believe, be the Sporting News insert, not the Nat'l Copper Plate, which I believe was issued after the Sporting News. Also, Kid Nichols is only pictured in the Old Judge set as a member of the minor league Omaha Omahogs.

Phil--Why are you asking for non-rookie images? (Beckley, Duffy, McCarthy, Rusie, Thompson)

[lhardem]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Lyman--I'm a bit confused. i thought a "rookie" card had to be a major league card. Clark Griffith's Old Judge card pictures him on Milwaukee of the Western Association, a minor league. Honus Wagner's card should, I believe, be the Sporting News insert, not the Nat'l Copper Plate, which I believe was issued after the Sporting News. Also, Kid Nichols is only pictured in the Old Judge set as a member of the minor league Omaha Omahogs.

Phil--Why are you asking for non-rookie images? (Beckley, Duffy, McCarthy, Rusie, Thompson)

Jay, I agree with Phil's reply. It's often a matter of a collector's personal preferance how he (or she) structures a set and defines "what is a rookie card" (or even "what is a card," for that matter). As we have long discussed on this Forum, there is no universal definition.

So our approach, generally, was to select the earliest five cards to represent each HOFer and let each collector decide whether to include pre-rookie cards, supplements, postcards, exhibits, stamps, etc. that others may not want to consider for their collections. Also, at least for many HOFers, there are multiple "rookie cards" (by your definition) so we wanted to show all "options." In other words, "we report; you decide."

With possibly one or two exceptions, we have ordered the earliest five cards for each HOFer in chronological order.

Hope this helps. We are always open to suggestions and feedback from all collectors and we sincerely appreciate the tremendous support that we have received for this and other projects.

Lyman

[orator1]

"So our approach, generally, was to select the earliest five cards to represent each HOFer and let each collector decide...With possibly one or two exceptions, we have ordered the earliest five cards for each HOFer in chronological order...We are always open to suggestions and feedback from all collectors."

Lyman, Phil,
I would appreciate if you could clarify some card dates.
Your rookie card site for O'Rourke has the following two dates:

1886 Joseph Hall Cabinet
1886 Kalamazoo Bats

The SCBC has the Joseph Hall Cabinets issued in 1888...which date is correct?
Also, your website list of N-cards has Kalamazoo Bats issued in 1887, which is also the date in the SCBC book. Were K-Bats cards also issued in 1886 or is 1887 the correct date?

If the Joseph Hall Cabinets were issued in 1888, then maybe the 5th earliest card could be the 1887 N172 Old Judge or the 1887 N284 Buchner?
If you would like scans of either card just let me know.

Paul C.