Coupons, Cycles, and CB's Oh My:)

[tedzan]

I am reiterating this post in order to drive it thru to anyone who thinks these cards were produced elsewhere than NYC.

Liggett & Myers was based in Durham, NC (Factory #42). That should sound familiar to you, as the 1911 PIEDMONT's,
SWEET CAP's and AMERICAN BEAUTY's cigarettes were produced there. The T206 cards associated with these brands....
WERE PRINTED AT AMERICAN LITHOGRAPHIC IN NEW YORK CITY.

Similarly, COUPON's Type 1, 2 & 3 cards....WERE PRINTED AT AMERICAN LITHOGRAPHIC IN NEW YORK CITY.

Not in New Orleans, nor North Carolina, nor elsewhere....PLEASE try to understand this.


Please read the following again.

The American Lithographic Co. (ALC) was the America's "lithography giant " in the late 19th & early 20th Century.
Jame Buchanan Duke of American Tobacco Co. (ATC) and ALC founder, Joseph Knapp, were very close friends and
businessmen. All sports, non-sports, and related ATC product's premiums from 1909 to 1919 were printed within this
building in NYC.

This structure still exists in NYC at the corner of South Park Ave. & 20th Street. Nowadays, its 13 floors consist of
professional offices.



At ALC, all the ATC cards (and their cigarette packs) were printed from 1909 to 1919. Including the T205's you are fond
of. Yes, the T213, T214 and T215 cards were printed at ALC.
The COUPON Tobacco Co. in New Orleans (Factory #3) produced tobacco products. None of the various Factory's in the
ATC monopoly printed cards ! !

From ALC in NYC, the individual cards (and uncut sheets of cigarette packs) were shipped by rail to the various Factory's
in the ATC system.


TED Z

[drdduet]

Hi Ted,

I understand this since you originally discussed some years ago. My statement was "produced" not "printed." If your post was directed at my response, I wish to clarify that I understand this! Produced as I mean it, refers to the Company sponsoring the production.

[tedzan]

This re-posted post was not directed at you. It was specifically targeted to Andrew (and any others who still think the T-cards
were produced at the Tobacco factories scattered throughout America).

ATC had somewhere around 250 factories in the late 19th and early 20th Century. To think that each of these factory's had their
own lithographic printing apparatus is utter insanity. These factories were dedicated to producing Tobacco products, NOT BB cards.


TED Z

NO ted this has nothing to do with where it was printed but has to do with the possibility of why they vary from Coupon's Type 1's and the 2's and 3's from later. Also why some of these companies didn't get cards later.