What if..Burdick had classified T206's with respect to their individual 15 T-brands ?

[tedzan]

Regarding your......" All of these white border cards (E's and T's, sports and nonsports) from this period have stories to tell,
and I believe that analysis of the subject across all spectrums may reveal some yet unsolved mysteries or at least reveal
leads to answers. "

You are right, and we have looked at some of the "bigger pictures" on Net54 regarding the "interplay" between T206's, E90's,
Ramly's, T80 Militarymen, etc.

When I get a chance, I'll post the links to these threads.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Can anyone explain why Red Cross backs state......

" Factory #10, 5th Dist. N.J. "

When these cards are catalogued as a Louisiana issue ? ?


TED Z

[drdduet]

Hi Ted,

Lipset's Encyclopedia states:

"The factory is noted as No. 10 in New Jersey, and this only substantiates the concept that the geographical location of the factory noted on these cards and other tobacco cards have nothing to do with where they are actually found."

Prior to that statement he describes Red Cross as the third of four Louisiana issues (the others being Coupon, Victory, and People's Tobacco).

[judsonhamlin]

Factory 10, based on a quick google search ("tobacco factory" "New Jersey") was the Jersey City factory operated by the Lorillard company in the late 19th century and was part of the ATC prior to the 1911 breakup. So, by the time the T215's were issued (even if late in 1911) they would be a post-ATC issue.

[tedzan]

Well, this violates the FEDERAL LAW that dictates that the advertising premium can only be associated with the Tobacco
product whose Factory is identified on it. This is how the FED's kept track of the tax revenues.

Are you guys saying that these so-called Louisiana cigarettes were really produced in Jersey City, NJ....and, then shipped
down to the Bayou country ?


TED Z

[judsonhamlin]

If Red Cross went to Liggett & Myers, then that company would be on the hook for the tax revenue either way, no? Beside, I'm pretty sure the Statue of Limitations has run

[drdduet]

Ted,

I'm not certain on the legalities of all of it, I'll take your word for it. Lipset, the ACC, and the Standard Catalog all refer to Red Cross as a Louisiana issue and I've always heard to it referred that way as well.

I would assume why overprinting of some factory notations was important and thus done--because if they didn't and were distributed out of the state printed, they would be in violation of federal law?

Why is Red Cross considered a Louisiana issue? My thoughts and recollections are based purely of hobby documentation, suggestion, and reports of Red Cross "finds". Any of you have any other reasoning for considering Red Cross a Louisiana issue?

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by drdduet

Ted,

I'm not certain on the legalities of all of it, I'll take your word for it. Lipset, the ACC, and the Standard Catalog all refer to Red Cross as a Louisiana issue and I've always heard to it referred that way as well.

I would assume why overprinting of some factory notations was important and thus done--because if they didn't and were distributed out of the state printed, they would be in violation of federal law?

Why is Red Cross considered a Louisiana issue? My thoughts and recollections are based purely of hobby documentation, suggestion, and reports of Red Cross "finds". Any of you have any other reasoning for considering Red Cross a Louisiana issue?

Many T cards were distributed out of the state where they were produced I believe--the factory notations were required for legal reasons associated with production and packaging as noted by Ted. There is a thread here on this somewhere on the site or maybe T206collector.com has it archived. The Red Cross/Louisiana connection is an intriguing one for sure.