1921 Koester's Bread Cards on E-Bay

[DanP]

I just sent my Burkett and Youngs Koester Bread cards to SGC today. I asked the seller how he knew the Young was really a Koester Bread card. Here was his response:

The Youngs card is printed on cardboard, like the Burkett as they were cut from the Koester's Ad sheet. (Probably in 1921!!)
No W575 or E121 types come on cardboard, all are on paper!
John

I've read 5 years of N54 threads regarding W575 and Koester cards. I don't remember anyone else mentioning the "cardboard" argument. I examined them when I received them today, they were on cardboard (thick, definitely not just paper).

Does this make sense to the experts out there?

Thanks.
Dan

[rhettyeakley]

I just took out my entire W575-1 collection (along with many that I know came directly from "Koesters collections") and nearly all are on the same card stock-the only ones that weren't are cards that correlate to the E121 Series of 120 set. (Please keep in mind that I am talking about the W575-1A cards not the W575-1B cards I have written about extensively on this forum.) All of my cards are on the exact same card stock as the E121 Series of 80 cards. Keep in mind the E121 Series of 120 cards are on thinner stock than the 80 set is--a difference very easy to tell when you hold one of each set.

John, is a VERY knowledgable collector and normally I would believe just about anything he says, however, in this case the Koesters that were distributed with the bread are on the same paper as the other W575-1A cards I have. If the sheet Koesters cards were thicker, I can't speak to that as I don't have any in front of me right now--but I doubt they printed their cards on two different types of paper (the distributed cards and the sheet cards).

[rhettyeakley]

I just wanted to provide some pictures of a recent (also on ebay) Koesters Bread find. These were not sheet cut but were factory cut as seen in the scans...


From this grouping the Casey Stengel and Ed Brown are the only 2 that are "exclusive" cards thoretically distributed only with Koesters. The other 4 are all players that were produced with at least the E121 American Caramel set if not several other brand backs. I see no difference between these four and other W575-1 cards.

Also, of all the Koesters exclusive cards the Stengel shown here has been one of the most elusive to me over the years, so I am really excited to add him to the collection. He would definitely (in my opinion) be the second highest demand Koesters card (other than the Jesse Burkett).

Anyways, I just wanted to share another mini Koesters find.
-Rhett

[DanP]

Just an update to this thread:
I sent the 2 cards I won from this auction (Burkett and Youngs) cards to SGC. Unfortunately they would not encapsulate them because they were hand cut from a sheet (I guess they agreed they were in fact Koester Bread cards).

I then sent them to PSA just hoping for a PSA Auth Hand Cut. I found out last week that they did receive an Auth Hand Cut grade. I'm happy about that, but still disappointed that SGC would not grade them the same.

Dan

[fkw]

I once had a Highpockets Kelly handcut and the card stock was way thicker than a W575-1 or E121. I sold it years ago.
Anyone here have this exact card? It was obviously much thicker stock.

how is the card stock on these handcut cards from Feb?