Coupon Type 1--Notes & Facts

[teetwoohsix]

Alright,here is a breakdown of the 21 teams represented in T213-1 with the amount of players represented for each team.......

1)Detroit-8
2)Cincinnati-7 (2 are Huggins)
3)Brooklyn-5
4)N.Y.Amer.-5 (2 are Chase)
5)N.Y.Nat'l-5 (2 are Meyers)
6)Montgomery-4
7)Nashville-4
8)Boston Nat'l-3
9)New Orleans-3
10)Phila.Amer.-3
11)Atlanta-2
12)Chicago Nat'l-2
13)Little Rock-2
14)Mobile-2
15)St.Louis Amer.-2
16)St.Louis Nat'l-2
17)Memphis-2
18)Washington-2
19)Birmingham-1
20)Cleveland-1
21)Pittsburg-1

So,it seems like Detroit & Cincinnati have the most players represented,and Birmingham,Cleveland,and Pittsburg have the least players represented.
Maybe this will help when trying to figure out the signifigance of players included and excluded.Note-The 5 teams with the most players represented do not represent the Southern League.

[drdduet]

Detroit would make sense as they made it to the 1909 World Series. These little pieces of card board were put in the packages to sell cigarettes, so the more popular the team and subjects the more desire to buy another pack.

As a period Charlotte Observer reveals--it wasn't just smokers buying cigarettes, kids went crazy over them as well--kids would buy the packs for a nickel, remove the cards, then resell the cigarettes at half price--I'm paraphrasing.

[teetwoohsix]

So,that would sort of make me think this series may be closer to the 1910 issue date more so than 1911?

[drdduet]

Absolutely and as early as 1909.

[tedzan]

There was never any question that this set was NOT any other than a 1910 issue. The 48 Major Leaguers in this set
were selected from the 350 series, which we know for certain was printed and issued as early as the Winter of 1909
and through most of 1910.

If this set included subjects from the T206 460 series, then perhaps it was issued in 1911. But, I must repeat, there
are no 460 subjects in it.
Furthermore, do not be confused by the 6 super-prints in this set. When this set was printed, the 6 super-prints were
strictly 350 series cards. It wasn't until later in the timeline of the T206 series that American Litho. extended these 6
super-prints into the 460 series.


TED Z

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks for clarifying that Ted,I appreciate it.The reason I was slightly confused on the date was from what I read in the Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards,Vol.3........it states "a probable date of issue is 1910 or 1911".

After your explanation,I feel 100% certain you are correct.

Thank you-
Clayton

[judsonhamlin]

This question goes to the T213-2 and T213-3 question and how that does or does not complicate the issue. I'm not a non-sports guy as a rule, but I do know that some series on the non-sports side were issued and re-issued over time - I think Indian Gum or one of the aviator series might be what I have in mind. How did the ACC deal with multiple series from a single producer over a number of years? Does that help us in this debate?

[FrankWakefield]

If a fellow was handed half a dozen T206s, and half a dozen T213-1s, he could sort them into the two types with his eyes closed. But he couldn't sort the T206s into tobacco brands (except for American Beauty's) without looking at the backs. The cards are.... wait for it.... different. T206s mention their series, and the brands lack the quotes; they are.... different from their T213-1 cousins.