What if..Burdick had classified T206's with respect to their individual 15 T-brands ?

tedzan · #1 02-22-2010, 10:32 PM

Gentleman....it's not rocket science

We have a simple set of factors that should define a T206 card. My contention is, that these 4 criteria
determine if a BB card qualifies as a T206......

1st....White border

2nd....Brown caption

3rd....Issued within the timeframe....Spring of 1909 -- Summer of 1911

4th....Card's back advertises an ATC owned tobacco brand during this timeframe

Therefore, we must include COUPON (T213-1), RED CROSS (T215-1), and the Ty Cobb (Ty Cobb back)
to the established 15 tobacco brands of the T206 set.

TED Z

caramelcard · #2 02-22-2010, 10:38 PM

Ted,

Apparently it is rocket science because...

T215-1 has Clark Griffith with Washington which puts the set in 1912.

Rob

PolarBear · #3 02-22-2010, 10:45 PM

This discussion parallels how coin collecting evolved in the late 19th century. I did an extensive analysis of that in another thread. I'm too lazy to look it up just now though.

ethicsprof · #4 02-22-2010, 11:28 PM

Darren,
an amazing wealth of notes you offer and a most illuminating recapitulation of
30+ years (Coupon Type 1--Notes and Facts thread).
a little help with your overall 'feel' for the notes which you offer.
utilizing Ted's definitional criteria for T206s listed on this thread (white border;brown caption; issued within spring of '09 and summer of '11; card's back advertises an ATC owned back during the time frame) along with your copious notes, do you find Ted's criteria necessary but not sufficient definitionally or do you find the criteria both necessary and sufficient?
Or do you feel your notes point to another possibility? Obviously, my focus is on the Coupon 1 classification.
many thanks for the great threads on these topics fellows.
best,
barry

teetwoohsix · #5 02-23-2010, 12:28 AM

Great point Robert A.!!!

This is another thing-since the T215-1's are set between 1910-1912,how can this work,as far as introducing them into T206?

I still vote to leave things as is with the classifications of these cards.A complete set should be one example of each front with whatever back.Subsets are always an option one has when collecting,but why make it be "the norm"?Wouldn't most people see it as too much of a daunting task,and therefore turn and run?

These recent threads about T206,T213's,T215's make me think of these lyrics-some will recognize them,some won't-
"If only you believe like I believe, baby,we'd get by
If only you believe in miracles,baby,so would I"

Have a great night folks!!!
Sincerely,Clayton

tedzan · #6 02-23-2010, 07:03 AM

The T215-1 set was printed and issued in several series during 1910 to 1912.

Regarding your comment on Clark Griffith....
Ban Johnson (AL President) liked Griffith; and, started in the Summer of 1911 to persuade Griffith to switch to the AL to manage
the Washington team for the 1912 season.

REFERENCED......
Oct 30, 1911 - Clark Griffith is named manager at Washington� beginning a stand in the Capital as manager� then owner� that will
last until his death in 1955.

Regards,

TED Z

teetwoohsix · #7 02-23-2010, 09:15 AM

So TedZ-I know that you have put a lot of time into this,and would like to know what type of resolution would satisfy your theories?

Meaning-what do you think should happen?How would you break things down,what would be included into T206,what wouldn't,what would happen to the rest of their "old" series (T213-2,T213-3,T215-2,etc.)?I only ask because I think you have put so much thought into this that I bet you already have drawn up the "plans".

I know the majority is probably not with me on my position,but that's ok.I just wish more T206 collectors would chime in-I know there are lots more reading this thread.Come on people,lets hear what you think!!!!

Sincerely,Clayton

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